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MERGED: Alan's still not happy......

Old 21st Feb 2014, 09:37
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Latest rumour.. 9000 jobs!! I really really hope that's not true. That's not saving money, that's decimating the airline!
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Old 21st Feb 2014, 09:45
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Some cosy little tête-à-tête going on no doubt.........between Mr Abbott & Mr Joyce.....good luck with that!...
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Old 21st Feb 2014, 09:57
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I'm wondering about DXB LHR. I'm sure Emirates would love the slots, but removal of QF from London would be a travesty in my opinion.
I agree it would be a travesty, most Aussies would, but sadly that is what is going to happen.

Qantas will be allowed to operate to DXB, then their new Masters Emirates will do all the DXB-LHR-DXB flights.
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Old 21st Feb 2014, 10:01
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Rumour mill at max EGT tonight
Jnb gone
767 parked
A380 gifted to EK
744 Retired
What's left nothing of international
Keep calm gentlemen all will be revealed in the town hall next Thursday
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Old 21st Feb 2014, 10:02
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posted by "THE SHOVEL"
*******"[email protected]$k me you clowns are delusional

No he doesn't sit and think,"I'm making a right feeling meal of this."
He sits and thinks, "this is going exactly to plan."

He is not interests in your career, he is running a business with a very specific goal and agenda.
"And it is going to plan.

He has very little exposure to the European market place. He wants as little exposure to Europe as possible.
He has shifted massive amounts of work on to the Jetstar network.
He smashed the unions in 2 days when he shut the airline down.
He has convinced the government to guarantee a public companies debt.
His only domestic competition continues to lose money.
And he is about to get the government support to do what he ultimately wants as it will be a requirement from the government (to guarantee the debt) that the Qantas model as it is today is finished.

This post is not about debating the direction the QF group is going. Or the way he has gone about doing it. It is very simply stating FACTS.

And it is all going perfectly to plan."*******

THE ABOVE THE IS THE FIRST POST on this thread that actualy makes sense

the other 2500 odd posts are "F..KED" POSTED BY COMPLETE AND UTTER CLOWNS-
i love the last one -9000 job loses
were did you pull that one -out of the ROCKHAMTON FUELERS ARSEHOLE.
-as per the the so called town hall meeting -all departments will suffer cuts
including pilots -the f..king lames -flt attendants etc etc
in the order of three to four thousand head count reduction-
this time were the ones -who are going to be "slow baked"
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Old 21st Feb 2014, 10:07
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The Shovel
As a ignorant Cadet, apparently, I'm at a loss to understand MST caution's logic.
FFRATS, what should I have done when Qantas stopped hiring? Just stay in GA?.....And of course by me not talking the job, Jetstar wouldn't have been able to expand and in fact probably would have shrunk or even dissolved by now.
Your years of experience in aviation is showing....yeah its "all going perfectly to plan". Alan has so much foresight.

Just like Red Q (proclaim Asia/China is the biggest untapped market then pull out of Sin and HK to LHR and code share with EK), the EK tie-up (after SIN AND MAS said NO!), J* HK/JP/Sin/SGN, 65% domestic (over) capacity etc. list goes on and on. So much planning falling into place.

You almost sound pleased for him...

Green Gobby
The program is hugely competitive and the young ones tend to be pretty bright.
Shining light this one. States only the "FACTS"

Edit due soldier-of-fortune post.
You seriously think Alan has stuck to a plan reactionary management at best.


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Old 21st Feb 2014, 10:08
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QF publicly denied they will be axing 3000 jobs - as per press release Fri pm.

Nothing mentioned about 9000, so that could well be true.

Bloody disgrace whatever it is.

PS: Big giggle re Ffrats. Been a VERY long time since I've heard mention of Freddie Fox's Ratshit Autothrottle. The GOD's.... Who'd a thunk the airline killed by people earning in a year what it took 12 jumbos a year to earn back then....
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Old 21st Feb 2014, 10:19
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Serious question. If you stop flying to London from Dubai yourself, but stick a QF code share on an EK flight, is that a reduction in services to London, or not?
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Old 21st Feb 2014, 10:38
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Serious question. If you stop flying to London from Dubai yourself, but stick a QF code share on an EK flight, is that a reduction in services to London, or not?

If this happens, how does one get to London on a premium economy ticket? EK don't have PE so I guess that leaves Cathay, BA ?
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Old 21st Feb 2014, 11:30
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Its anyone's guess as to what Alan will come up with on the 27th.

Remember. Alan's got form.

He provided evidence to a senate inquiry that he woke up one morning in 2011 and decided to ground an airline.

*** Im not advocating he's going to ground the airline ***

But it does indicate the traits of a knee jerk management style.

If Alan was working to script. That he was following a pre determined path. Continuing to push the 4 pillar strategy house.

Then why the need for a "Strategic Review"?

Perhaps the outcome of a strategic review will determine the the previous business transformation wasn't working well for the group.

Again. If the 4 pillar strategy was working AJ wouldn't be calling for a review. They would either continue or accelerate the program.

I wonder if the big institutionals have finally said to Al. Enoughs is enough we've given you a few years and we are yet to see the returns?

Maybe a new CEO, but not yet!

Alan's review may actually be the new CEO's plan. Introduced by Alan to allow him to escape with a golden parachute and a smooth transition to a new management team.

All will be revealed in 6 days.
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Old 21st Feb 2014, 17:37
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They can deny the 3000 number - it will probably be a lot more so to claim the rumour is wrong in the press is accurate.

QF might not pull out of LHR but replacing QF metal with EK will be classified as mainintaining the serving of LHR

JNB will be gone - if the ACCC would come to the party and realise the current arrangement was not a monopoly it would be saved. So leaving one carrier and one stop to SYD is great for the consumer isn't it ACCC?
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Old 21st Feb 2014, 18:27
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I can't help thinking the little bloke is trying to do a Willie (IAG) Walsh, kinda thing, the pattern seems to be the same, keep peddling doom and gloom sack lots of people (like BA did) in the build up to what IAG is today.... takes a few years, the punters become numb to it all, Jetstar becomes the model, Qantas Int becomes the BMI? ..

IAG boss Willie Walsh rules out more European buys - Telegraph

Basically a bean counters picnic... They just love it, think they are so clever, but always forgetting one little thing, it's the operational staff that bring in the cash on a daily basis... whilst these guys in suits chat about their great success over a lunch surrounded by rock pools...or something similar...

It's going to be a long week, I feel for you all.. It's horrible the way these guys do business these days and the Government is in on it, both sides... Cold, cold calculating people.... they don't care about the damage they inflict on good Aussie families...

Fears Qantas will slash 3000 jobs in cost-cutting drive

Shares in Qantas rose 5 per cent to $1.25 on Friday after Macquarie Equities analysts raised their recommendation on the stock to ''out-perform''.

Look at these pri$ks at Macquarie gloating over how much money they are going to make by pushing the suits barrow, as if they haven't cleaned up enough already over the years from our aviation infrastructure... government partnership..
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Old 21st Feb 2014, 20:11
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[email protected]$k me you clowns are delusional
Yeah, no attacks there...

Stop being so gen Y where it's all about you and everybody gets a ribbon.

You say 'FACTS' I say you speak CRAP.

You want an Answer to a question that ends with JQ would not have survived with out YOU!

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Old 21st Feb 2014, 20:23
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How is that even remotely the same, one is a Government the other a publicly listed company?
Not really sure what to write to that comment. So you actually admit it is ok for a government(state) owned airline to have government debt guarantees, yet when a public listed company can't keep on competing due to higher borrowing costs they should just shrivel up and die and just let these government owned airlines continue on. That is what the whole argument is about, allowing a publicly listed company to compete with a government(state) owned airline.

TC is saying that no one should have any help and yet he conveniently ignores that his debt is government backed. I'm not having a crack at the way EK is run or how successful, however, I think it is a bit rich to be offering advice when you currently have what another airline doesn't, government owned or not and you directly contribute to the reason why the publicly listed company is struggling.
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Old 21st Feb 2014, 23:33
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When Alan and Co announce their wonderful achievements on the 27th, is there a live video feed so that we can watch this mathematical genius destroy what's left of our national icon?
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Old 22nd Feb 2014, 00:12
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TC is saying that no one should have any help and yet he conveniently ignores that his debt is government backed.
....and the IR framework very different to Oz with virtual slavery allowed for baggage handlers, cooks, cleaners, etc. let's not forget the tax regime either.
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Old 22nd Feb 2014, 00:22
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I am hearing from a couple of sources around Martin Place that QAN may apply to the ASX for a trading halt on Wednesday afternoon as said announcement may involve the sale of "non-core airline assets", most notably engineering, catering and FF program.

It may not be sacking 3000 staff, but certainly gets 3000 staff off the QF books.
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Old 22nd Feb 2014, 01:13
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Interesting angle

Qantas group employs people in more companies than I can count.

If a company is sold. The head count is off the Qantas books.
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Old 22nd Feb 2014, 01:33
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Insider trader, the belief of the Board is that the entire value of QF is in the brand and that the services it supplies can be delivered by monkeys.

This is similar to the Carnival Cruise Lines business model:

1. the. Black gang, staff unseen by the public are ragged Indians and Filipinos who never have contact with passengers except in very rare situations.

2. "Front of house" staff speak English and come from Eastern Europe and developing countries.

3. Staff are deliberately chosen from a mix of nationalities on the "divide and rule" principle.

4. All staff are employed through agencies on one year contracts. starting dates are staggered so that about 10% are up for renewal and have to leave the ship at the end of each voyage.

The purpose of this strategy is to ensure no unionisation is possible and any who try can be easily removed.

Business performance is achieved by slavish adherence to detailed manuals for every single function on the ship down to the washing of the underside of chairs at set intervals.

Outsourcing is used to the hilt. The bar staff buy the rights to run the bars. A doctor buys the rights to run the medical clinic, etc.

That is the model you are headings for: indentured slavery.
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Old 22nd Feb 2014, 04:04
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Our mate GT is at it again today. Amongst claims here, A380s going to Turkish.

Jobs go in Qantas shake-up - The West Australian
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