Problems at Brindabella?
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And would Skytrans be willing to agree to an OTP KPI penalty system with the NSW government to ensure some OTP consistency rather than the current shambles?
Too much government dis n dat.
Possibly another small part of the problem. I have no idea if that is the case but it would not surprise me.
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When I was working for the other CBR operation that specialises in charter and ground services, they were making noise about limited RPT ambitions.
Would be a good fit given the location of Brindabella and that they already have a well established maintenance base not too far away, plus some decent under utilised aircraft to throw at it.
Would be a good fit given the location of Brindabella and that they already have a well established maintenance base not too far away, plus some decent under utilised aircraft to throw at it.
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Fingers crossed this issue gets resolved for the boys!
Brindabella pilots ask receivers for help on job-related loans
Pilots employed by the collapsed Brindabella Airlines have called on the company's receivers to take on liability for personal loans entered into as a condition of employment.
A day after Brindabella temporarily stood down 140 employees, including 70 in Canberra, it has emerged that pilots were required to take out personal loans of as much as $30,000 as return for a service bond for training and expenses.
The loans, issued for flight training in the United States and other expenses, were serviced by the company during their employment as is common in the industry.
Brindabella suspended all flights this week as it struggled with millions of dollars of debt. Receivers KordaMentha were appointed for the company and are seeking a buyer for the airline, founded in Canberra in 1994.
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The executive director of the Australian Federation of Air Pilots, Simon Lutton, said he had written to the receivers on Monday asking for the loans to be included as debts of the airline, not individual pilots.
''We're very aware of the issue and are taking it up urgently with the receiver,'' Mr Lutton said.
''We are seeking an undertaking that upon examination of the loan arrangements they will be categorised as a debt of the company and not a personal debt. We haven't yet achieved that but we're looking to have urgent discussions on that basis. They've advised us that they know how important it is and they are looking into it right now and will get back to us shortly.''
Mr Lutton said he hoped the matter could be finalised in coming days but that it was too early to say what outcome would be reached.
Pilots employed by Brindabella Airlines declined to speak publicly as their employment has not been terminated.
A spokesman for KordaMentha said the receivers learned about the concerns on Tuesday and would consider the matter.
Read more: Brindabella pilots ask receivers for help on job-related loans
Pilots employed by the collapsed Brindabella Airlines have called on the company's receivers to take on liability for personal loans entered into as a condition of employment.
A day after Brindabella temporarily stood down 140 employees, including 70 in Canberra, it has emerged that pilots were required to take out personal loans of as much as $30,000 as return for a service bond for training and expenses.
The loans, issued for flight training in the United States and other expenses, were serviced by the company during their employment as is common in the industry.
Brindabella suspended all flights this week as it struggled with millions of dollars of debt. Receivers KordaMentha were appointed for the company and are seeking a buyer for the airline, founded in Canberra in 1994.
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The executive director of the Australian Federation of Air Pilots, Simon Lutton, said he had written to the receivers on Monday asking for the loans to be included as debts of the airline, not individual pilots.
''We're very aware of the issue and are taking it up urgently with the receiver,'' Mr Lutton said.
''We are seeking an undertaking that upon examination of the loan arrangements they will be categorised as a debt of the company and not a personal debt. We haven't yet achieved that but we're looking to have urgent discussions on that basis. They've advised us that they know how important it is and they are looking into it right now and will get back to us shortly.''
Mr Lutton said he hoped the matter could be finalised in coming days but that it was too early to say what outcome would be reached.
Pilots employed by Brindabella Airlines declined to speak publicly as their employment has not been terminated.
A spokesman for KordaMentha said the receivers learned about the concerns on Tuesday and would consider the matter.
Read more: Brindabella pilots ask receivers for help on job-related loans
AFAP assistance?
I wish the AFAP luck with that, but if unsuccessful, would the union consider looking after the affected pilots by, say, covering interest only on the training loans for AFAP members? A debt like that could be debilitating when you've just lost what wasn't a high-paying job, and a Jetstream rating isn't worth a lot in Australia right now.
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good luck to the pilots involved.
on the upside jq have just advertised for a big bunch of commands. presumably those f/o's upgraded will need to be replaced…?
on the upside jq have just advertised for a big bunch of commands. presumably those f/o's upgraded will need to be replaced…?
I am pretty sure Andrew Major could buy & sell the owner of Goulburn airport 10 times if he wanted to. You don't build a facility like their Goulburn hangar when the airport's future is in doubt...
Yeah Tex, I'm sure that's exactly what Jeff wants...... NOT
To be honest, I dont event think they will be able to give it away, given that anyone else who has the capability, either already has the AOC or the equipment.... or both.
The vultures are certainly in a hold longer than your average weeknight at smoka, just waiting for the receiver to chainsaw the place.
To be honest, I dont event think they will be able to give it away, given that anyone else who has the capability, either already has the AOC or the equipment.... or both.
The vultures are certainly in a hold longer than your average weeknight at smoka, just waiting for the receiver to chainsaw the place.
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A handful of incompetents literally destroyed two great little airlines !
Hopefully their day will come when they feel the anguish and sadness that all of the employees of the former Aeropelican and Brindabella now feel just before Christmas.
To all concerned I have my fingers crossed that you all find yourselves in a much happier place this time next year !
Pistin.
Hopefully their day will come when they feel the anguish and sadness that all of the employees of the former Aeropelican and Brindabella now feel just before Christmas.
To all concerned I have my fingers crossed that you all find yourselves in a much happier place this time next year !
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I was in Griffith a month ago, and according to the local paper there were two unnamed operators sniffing about the place looking at running a YGTH-YMML service, following failed negotiations between the council and another "operator" who proposed to run a service with imaginary Beech 1900s.
Apparently one of the two was Brindabella, but no idea about the other; given Rex got rid of their YGTH-YMML service last year, I doubt it'd be them.
What are the chances this mystery operator, who's apparently in the market to pick up some very thin regional routes like YGTH-YMML would also be looking at some of Brindabella's routes?
Apparently one of the two was Brindabella, but no idea about the other; given Rex got rid of their YGTH-YMML service last year, I doubt it'd be them.
What are the chances this mystery operator, who's apparently in the market to pick up some very thin regional routes like YGTH-YMML would also be looking at some of Brindabella's routes?
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To say that there's a bunch of people all joined by a common point of contact in and around regional RPT potential routes with a common background would be accurate I would think!!!!
I wish the AFAP luck with that, but if unsuccessful, would the union consider looking after the affected pilots by, say, covering interest only on the training loans for AFAP members? A debt like that could be debilitating when you've just lost what wasn't a high-paying job, and a Jetstream rating isn't worth a lot in Australia right now.
We all bitch and moan about how Alan Joyce won't invest in Qantas... But then every idiot who comes along to Jetstar is paying him 30k for the privilege of working for him.... And he STILL can't make a profit.
I also hear the AFAP are working with one group of pilots to change cadetship payments which are prohibitive. Here's an idea, if you can't afford it, don't sign up to it.
I really wish the AFAP would focus our money on the big issues, rather than try and bail out a few select individuals who have made bad financial decisions. Paying 30k for a Jetsteam endorsement? Seriously?
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I also hear the AFAP are working with one group of pilots to change cadetship payments which are prohibitive. Here's an idea, if you can't afford it, don't sign up to it.
I really wish the AFAP would focus our money on the big issues, rather than try and bail out a few select individuals who have made bad financial decisions. Paying 30k for a Jetsteam endorsement? Seriously?
I really wish the AFAP would focus our money on the big issues, rather than try and bail out a few select individuals who have made bad financial decisions. Paying 30k for a Jetsteam endorsement? Seriously?
Too many signing up, getting their two or three bars, joining the feds and then expecting them to save them from the financial debacle they have got themselves into.
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You blokes are a disgrace! Have a heart this time of year.. The Brindabella crew didn't pay for their endorsements, merely entered a bond scheme common around the country where if you bail you cough up the dough. Problem with this one is the company bailed & the crew are high and dry up to 30K in the hole with presumably no entitlements. Good luck to all affected 
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well, i'd call in to question the wisdom of agreeing to become an unsecured creditor to a company when your salary also comes from the same place. especially if you had to take out a personal loan to do it.
bonds are fine when thats what they are. this was nothing more than employees agreeing to loan the company money in return for a job.
i hope there is something left for them. if nothing else, it'll make a good life lesson.
i wonder if the 30k was the true bonafide cost of that training or if they were doing a jetstar and including a facilitation fee as well as pocketing the gst?
bonds are fine when thats what they are. this was nothing more than employees agreeing to loan the company money in return for a job.
i hope there is something left for them. if nothing else, it'll make a good life lesson.
i wonder if the 30k was the true bonafide cost of that training or if they were doing a jetstar and including a facilitation fee as well as pocketing the gst?
