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Old 2nd Sep 2014, 09:08
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and if anyone in the industry was in any doubt CAsA was corrupt, Sarcs says it all!!

Cactus, they have been having trouble getting Terry to take his afternoon nap since his A380 Type rating.

He sits there every afternoon playing airline pilot on his IPad simulator.

Keeps him amused I suppose.

Considering the amount of damage he's inflicted on the industry over the years better to leave him to that.
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The fatal flaw that dooms any prospect of reform is that the DAS sits on the Board and presumably has a vote. I was not aware of this until now.

The DAS should be appointed by the Minister on the advice of the Board and the DAS should be removable again by the Minister on the advice of the Board. He should be "in attendance" - non voting, at Board meetings at the pleasure of the Board.

What will happen now is predictable. The new DAS will abrogate the responsibilities of the Board and become a law until herself, with of course the support of Messrs Farqueson et al. The embuggerance will then continue, redoubled. For example, what good is a complaints process reporting at Board level when the DAS sits on the Board?

I participated in the removal of one such dominating public figure from public office many years ago. Our report on his behaviour and domination of the alleged supervisory Board was not pleasant reading.

There seems little point in continuing this thread, or attempting to engage with CASA further.

To put that another way, BOHICA.
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Yeah Sunny, your right, I always thought the CEO reported to the board, and the board directed the CEO.

One has to ask the question, what is the CAsA board for?

Other than providing a place at the trough for political appointees.
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One has to ask the question, what is the CAsA board for?
Other than providing a place at the trough for political appointees.
Thats exactly how it works, particularly in government departments. Most Board positions are quite simply a 'reward', a nicely remunerated 'thank you' for providing armoured protection to the bureaucracies over the years - covering mistakes, polishing turds, writing glowing reports, kissing babies and PM's asses, that sort of stuff. Many Board members have come through PMC and are associate professors and other highly educated 'bull**** artists' who have succinctly learned the art of smoke and mirrors and spin.....Yes indeed, a Board position is a delicacy, a juicy taxpayer funded reward for many years of service protecting their political masters from falling on axes.

On a lighter note, Mr Hawk's bio makes interesting reading. Otherwise for those of you well versed in the game called 'Australian politics' you will understand only too well why he pops up on Board after Board.
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I reckon the next estimates might prove interesting.
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A little sunshine - for Sunny.

I don't know how many of you caught the ABC 'Australian story' last week, it's not one I usually watch, but just as I reached for the remote (love the STFU button) the lady being interviewed caught my attention. Joanne McCarthy a journalist with the Newcastle Herald won the prestigious Gold Walkley for her efforts reporting and exposing child sex abuse. The lady runs marathons and used the race as an analogy to explain her campaign; starting off fresh, working through the middle barriers and finally to the business end – finishing. She likened the final stages of her 'campaign' to those last few clicks – and freely admits that the most difficult part was actually seeing the job through to the end. Bravo Ms. McCarthy....

I believe there is a parallel story running with aviation reform; the last few clicks once again being the toughest; so nearly there but not yet across 'that' line. It is of little value to be petulant because our own wishes were not gratified, immediately. Stopping now because it all seems too hard simply allows the competition to run on past and win the trophy. Being beaten after a full on effort is acceptable, pride and self worth an added bonus; but to quit is diminishing. You can only loose to yourself. As Jo McCarthy discovered, it all comes down to you and that last little bit.

That is where I believe we are; the Senators have been and remain magnificent support; the Rev. Forsyth report is there cheering; the TSBC waving flags and cheering the FAA looking on holding their breath. But they are spectators, industry is the one in the race and if it means to win; it must find the willpower, courage and determination to finish the bloody race.

The crowd will always applaud the winner, the bookies always make a dollar, the spectators will end up tucked in warm and cosy at home; the competitors are left with the question – did I do all I could - to win? If the answer is yes; then the willpower and courage to try again is reinforced. If no, then you weren't beaten; you lost. IF.

I hear there is some good news in the wind today. We shall see..

Selah...

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miniscule Board & CEO appointments??

It would appear that the DPM is in the mood for making announcements for Boards and CEOs for other government agencies in his remit. So why the procrastination & apparent disconnect with aviation that is causing much angst to many industry stakeholders??

2 days ago...

Infrastructure Australia Board announced

Last week...

Mick Kinley appointed new CEO of AMSA

With the CEO of AMSA did we hear any protestations, cries of 'the sky will now surely fall in' by any of the marine industries stakeholders?? No?

Internally is there any rumours of sycophants, Sociopaths or zealots on crusades?? No, well none that has been publicly leaked or revealed in Senate Estimates.

Is there a constant revolving door of Senate Inquiries, AAT or Federal Court hearings?? No???

So apparently the Marine crew are happy (on the surface at least..) with their lot...



It should be of interest that the CEO of AMSA also sits on the Board and that the Board comprises not six members but eight:Again do we hear any bad press about, what would appear to be, an over bloated group of bureaucrats?? Do we hear about a completely dysfunctional board that simply kowtows to the whims of the AMSA CEO & Executive??

No not a peep! How can this be..

Sure there is more than likely internal rifts and disagreement that we will never know about. But for all intents and purposes the AMSA model would appear to be quietly working and getting on with regulating industry..

However most importantly it would appear that AMSA and the board have the trust of industry and that is a huge point of difference...
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Other Regulators

Gents, the same applies to NOPSEMA. Like AMSA, they have an important safety role related to a high risk industry, yet you don't hear the howling for change, hear the story's about systematic abuse of the industry it oversights, nor do you have an Org structure stacked the way CASA's is set up - to evade scrutiny and cover up malfeasance. In general NOPSEMA are a well oiled outfit that operates transparently and in the interest of maintaining compliance and safety. Imagine seeing that in CASA's charter!! Compliance and safety with the interests of the community at large in mind! Have you ever heard of such a robust idea?
Yep, the fact that other regulatory bodies can for the most part get it right, proves that the entire CASA structure is flawed, has failed, and in its present form cannot be fixed.

Something do you to think about, Minister.
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look at it this way.

things are on the up in CAsA.

Terry Farquarson would have to be the worst possible choice for Director of Safety that it is humanly possible to put in the position.

....so what follows after him must be better.

it pays to see the silver lining in even the most ominous of thunder clouds.
besides he's harmless when he's asleep ...so the afternoons are looking good.
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In the wind.

Alert: I have not as yet been able to confirm any of the following; however there does seem to be some straws in the wind which might add up to a haystack. So for what its worth.

It seems the minuscule's advisors has had a somewhat 'robust', head on introduction to industry concerns during the 'doings' in Canberra this week. Very few punches being pulled on the ludicrous Part 61 and the impact it will have; the moronic engineering rule set was hammered; the disgraceful Avmed department was thumped and generally, the "not happy Jan" message was delivered, long and loud, face to face, to the man himself. Rumour is that Truss is "unhappy" with CASA and all those who sail in her.

Let's see now, that's the Senate, the Board, the Minister and the industry all 'unhappy' with the GWM crew over at Sleepy Hollow; if you add a dash of American disfavour, Canadian open disgust and pinch of UK incredulity; things look rough for the home team.

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Interesting development. If the Minister is truly becoming agitated by CASA it means he is copping some serious heat from some high level players. Good! Placing the Minister in the spotlight is the only way to fix the problems. With only a year or so to go until Australia's trough dwellers start seeking re-election perhaps the Minister for bad skin and Tony are starting to feel a little uneasy about some turbulent waters approaching their harbour side palace?
Game on......
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CASA Board

I don't know what Truss was thinking but appointing Ms Taylor to the Board is the equivalent of putting McCormick on it. She is immediate past president of GFA (resigned August 23, 2014) which has a contract with CASA to administer gliding in Australia on a MONOPOLY basis. This makes the GFA CASA as far as gliding is concerned.

Let alone her lack of technical or operational expertise. God help us all!

GFA has also negotiated (on Ms Taylor's watch) with CASA, an ICAO compliant CASA Glider pilot Licence so that Australians can fly overseas including in competitions by having their qualifications recognised by OS countries aviation authorities.

The licence, however isn't valid for use inside Australia. Ya think CASA is the laughing stock of the world's aviation regulators?
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Just released - AMROBA scorecard.

The - AMROBA - scorecard out of 10 of government achievement against each of their policy promises. We thought it 'topical'.

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AMROBA score the miniscule at 23% - FAIL

When the Coalition won the last election, there was great support from the aviation industry for what the LNP promulgated as the Coalition Aviation Policy. In the Policy they included a Plan. The following is AMROBA score, out of ten, of government’s achievement against each of their policy
promises. Total 37/160 Not very good. Not many items have started.

The Government’s Plan

1.Abolish the Carbon Tax- The Coalition will abolish the carbon tax.
Score: 10/10

2. Establish Formal Industry Consultation with the Minister- The Coalition will establish a formal Aviation Industry Consultative Council that will meet on a regular basis with the Minister to discuss matters of concern to the broader aviation industry and ensure that the industry’s views have a forum for discussion and development.
Score: 0/10 – no indication so far.

3. Ensure Best Practice in Aviation Safety is Maintained-The Coalition will establish an external review of aviation safety and regulation in Australia.
Score: 10/10 – will LNP implement recommendations? 2/10 at this stage

4. Reform the Structure of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA)- The Coalition will seek to enhance CASA’s abilities to function as Australia’s key aviation safety regulator.

a. Strategic direction - Enhancing CASA’s capability as Australia’s aviation safety regulator must start with establishing a firm strategic direction for the organisation. Score: 0/10 ASRR recommendation also identified changes needed.

b. CASA board - CASA’s board has been repeatedly established, abandoned and re-established again.
Score: 5/10 1 new member announced, 3 more rumoured.



c. Industry Complaints Commissioner- The Coalition recognises the importance of having a reliable, robust and transparent complaints process that is managed in a timely manner
Score: 2/10 ASRR recommendation report to CASA Board


5. Focus on the Better Utilisation of Australian Airspace-The Coalition will task Airservices Australia with fast-tracking technological improvements at airports where they are supported by both airlines and airports and will have a significant impact on the reliability of the aviation network, or where it will lessen the impact of aircraft noise.Score: 2/10 No info available


6.Support Regional Aviation-The Coalition will introduce a new and better targeted En Route Rebate Scheme for regional commercial airline carriers to support low volume and new routes to small and remote communities.

Score: 4/10 Some changes introduced


7. Recognise the Importance of Our Airports - The Coalition reaffirms our commitment that airports must be dedicated to providing aviation services and other developments on site should not be approved if they compromise the current or future aviation operations of the airport.
Score: 3/10 Some statements and monies allocated



a. Regional aerodrome weather services - The Coalition acknowledges the benefits that aerodrome weather services provide in regional communities, not just for aviation but also for local weather forecasting and for use by emergency services personnel.
Score: 0/10




b. Sydney Airport - If elected, the Coalition will make a decision on the site for a second Sydney Airport in the first term of government.


Score: 10/10 Decision has been made


8. Encourage Aviation Manufacturing - The Coalition acknowledges the important role of aircraft and aviation component manufacturing in Australia.
Score: 0/10 Less manufacturing today – no growth yet seen

9.Revitalise the General Aviation Action Agenda - The Coalition will revitalise the General Aviation Action Agenda and establish a regular dialogue with the general aviation sector to address industry issues.
Score: 0/10 No action at this moment. Need to adopt FARs

10.Promote Aviation Liberalisation - The Coalition acknowledges the importance of international aviation to our tourism industry and our broader economy. We recognise the potential of Australia as a prime tourism destination within the Asia-Pacific region.
Score: 0/10 No action

11.Enhance Industry Training and Development - The Coalition will undertake a study into the state of the workforce in the broader aviation industry to inform future skills development and training policies. This will include a consideration of whether high upfront training costs are acting as a barrier to entry. The study into the state of the aviation workforce will be undertaken by the Department of Infrastructure and Transport and conducted within existing resources.
Score: 0/10 Study not yet started

12.Ensure Aviation Security is Risk-Based - The Coalition will review security risk assessments regularly to ensure that existing measures are adequate or still necessary and new rules are appropriately implemented.

Score: 1/10 Some consideration to changes

September 2014

Ken Cannane





Safety All Around.

But Ken the miniscule is getting on with it just very, very slowly...


Here he is today (just before leaving for question time as Ag PM) rubbing shoulders with other aviation luminaries {which included the Ag DAS who showed his commitment to a greater cause by foregoing his afternoon nap..}...




Item by Jordan Chong at 1:35 pm, Thursday September 4 2014 Leave a Comment

Acting Prime Minister Warren Truss has reaffirmed the government’s commitment to respond to the Forsyth inquiry into Australia’s aviation regulatory system before the end of the year.

Speaking at Airservices’ annual Waypoint conference in Canberra on Thursday, Truss said the Aviation Safety Regulation Review (ASRR) found Australia had a good safety record but identified “opportunities for improvement”.

“The government is now carefully considering all of the 37 recommendations and other matters arising from the report,” said Truss, who is also the Minister for Infrastructure and Regional Development.

“We intend to provide a comprehensive response before the year is out. Above all, we are committed to ensuring that aviation maintains an appropriate safety regulatory framework that will provide the platform for the industry’s future growth.”

The ASRR report, released in June, called for substantial cultural and structural change at the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) and for better leadership of and coordination between Australia’s aviation safety agencies. Moreover, it said the relationship between CASA and the aviation industry was “in many cases, adversarial”.

The review, also known as the Forsyth Report, said the appointment of a new director of aviation safety was a chance to reform the culture of the organisation.

Truss was speaking at a public event for the first time since John McCormick ended his five-and-a-half-year term as the director of aviation safety at CASA on August 31. But he did not address the matter of McCormick’s replacement or the three new directors due to be appointed to the CASA board.

CASA deputy director of aviation safety Terry Farquharson, who will be acting director of aviation safety until a permanent replacement is named, was in the audience at the Airservices conference.

Truss said the government was committed to reducing the regulatory burden on business by cutting unnecessary red tape and allowing more competition to facilitate job creation. Regulation was a particular feature of the aviation sector, he said.

“Aviation has more regulation per square inch than any other industry I know and I would like to get rid of most of them,” Truss said.

“But I know that that will compromise confidence in our safety record.”

However, there were some things that the government is able to do, such as lifting the regulatory burden on the nation’s airports.

“My department has been engaging with stakeholders to identify areas of regulation duplication and overlap affecting our airports,” Truss said.

“In particular we are consulting on proposals to streamline the master plan and major development plan processes. The airport owners tell me they would like to see a longer duration between master plans and that further productivity gains could be achieved if the financial thresholds around major development plans were amended.

“I think these objectives are achievable.”

While he was there he also announced this bit of good news for Biz Jet Operators: Government opens consultation on quieter business jets at Sydney Airport

Hmm maybe Tone should go away a bit more often it seems to have inspired the DPM..

Oh and apparently Dougy was also there...

"...I’m in Canberra today, at Waypoint, Airservices’ annual hosting of its customers (and others) for a day of information exchange and networking. It’s always a professional and very useful dialogue, capped off by a dinner and, from this year, the Peter Lloyd lecture. Airservices’ chairman Angus Houston will share the hosting with CEO Margaret Staib. I’ll share the highlights with you asap..."

Dougy also had this little snippet of intel...

"..As an aside, I’m hearing that the delay in the naming of a new DAS for CASA is simply that it’s stuck on a desk in the Prime Minister’s office. I would have thought that if it was going to be delayed in any office it would be that of the Deputy PM, as the relevant minister. Anyway, apparently the decision has been made, so let’s hope it’s the right one..."

FFS the miniscule's desk must be groaning under the tombs of complaint correspondence etc...

MTF...

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“Aviation has more regulation per square inch than any other industry I know and I would like to get rid of most of them,” Truss said.

“But I know that that will compromise confidence in our safety record.”
You see: It’s all about perception, not substance.

More and more regulations make aviation appear safer to punters. If punters are scared of the 30,000’ death plunge, all governments need to do is point to the thousands of pages of regulations (and sacrifice a few pilots with colour vision deficiency). The response to one fatal accident during an Angel Flight must be more regulation.

And the bureaucracy is always ready to help with that.

It’s pathetic.
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“Aviation has more regulation per square inch than any other industry"

Perhaps that should have been prefixed with "In Australia..."

“But I know that that will compromise confidence in our safety record.”

Compromise who's confidence? The punters don't give a ****e they just want $50 fares.

Oh and Terry, don't believe CAsA's spin, our safety record aint that flash compared with the US and after the last audit I'm sure their regulator knows why. The "Canooks" sure do after their little foray into aviation safety oversight down under.

“In particular we are consulting on proposals to streamline the master plan and major development plan processes. The airport owners tell me they would like to see a longer duration between master plans and that further productivity gains could be achieved if the financial thresholds around major development plans were amended".

err... Terence old mate,

Your lot flogged off the airports to property developers and loan sharks.

In case you haven't noticed, Sydney as an example, has been turning over a billion a year for the past ten years.

How much tax have they paid?? or are they paying tax in Bermuda?

and you want to give them further concessions?

Bugger all point in having airports if nobody can afford to use them.

"Moreover, it said the relationship between CASA and the aviation industry was “in many cases, adversarial”.

Well DUUHH!! that's because of the ACT, change that, accept Kiwi reg's and we can all get on with business. The way things are, there will be no business.

"Truss said the government was committed to reducing the regulatory burden on business by cutting unnecessary red tape and allowing more competition to facilitate job creation. Regulation was a particular feature of the aviation sector, he said".

Terence, you'd better get on with it while you still have an industry to save.

In case you haven't noticed, CAsA are anti competition, their regulations force small operators out of business, the dwindling amount of work is picked up by fewer large operators who finish up in monopoly positions until the law of diminishing return catches up with them.

Look what's happening in the maintenance sector, more businesses closing than new ones coming online, Why??

Its all just becoming too hard, there are easier ways to make a buck.

We can only look with envy across the Tasman.




"You see: It’s all about perception, not substance".


Creamie for the board!!!





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I will believe not one word of any promise of change for the better until I see John Quadrio's commercial pilots licence reinstated.

not one word of it minister.
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Dubya,

not my turn, but I'd add...and the unprincipled assh&le that stitched him up, spend some happy hours in the showers at a correctional facility near you!
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I agree. quite a few people in CAsA deserve prison sentences for their particular brand of self serving corruption.

the present temporary head of CAsA being one of them in all probability.
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Byron and Quinn almost got there. Byron was all for EASA and Quinn was way ahead of outcome based regulation philosophy. He's a genius with regards to risk management. And now we've had the Screamer, and as a touché, the cardboard cut-out Terry! No sleeping next month in Estimates Terry! I think Sky Sentinal might be high on the agenda. Your brainchild wasn't it? PAWS ring a bell?? FOI JD being paid? Ring a bell??? All hell is about to break loose! Besides the individuals who spoke to the ASRR, Heavyweights I've been in contact with are fed up. As Wuss is asleep at the wheel, it's being directly taken to PMC (and the FAA). If they merged AMSA and CASA we may get some sense. Actually, dump the CASA Board, let AMSA run the joint!
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