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Old 5th Dec 2013, 23:49
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And of course when you go to read this you find the following:



No doubt celebrating being able to "stomp on the little bloke..."

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TRUSS MEDIA RELEASE

Warren Truss
Deputy Prime Minister
Minister for Infrastructure and Regional Development


Media Statement


6 December 2013

Aviation Safety Regulation Review – submissions now open


DEPUTY Prime Minister and Minister for Infrastructure and Regional Development Warren Truss today announced the opening of the public consultation stage for the Australian Government’s Aviation Safety Regulation Review.

The Aviation Safety Regulation Review, announced by Mr Truss on 14 November 2013, is a systemic and strategic review to examine how well Australia’s regulatory system is positioned to ensure we remain at the forefront of aviation safety globally.

“The general and regional aviation sectors, in particular, have told the Government they are concerned about the costs of regulatory compliance and how our regulatory system compares to other countries,” Mr Truss said.

“This review will place us in a strong position to ensure our aviation safety standards remain up to the challenge of meeting the predicted expansion of aviation over the next 20 years.

“Australia has a world-class aviation safety record but that doesn’t mean we should sit by and just hope it stays that way.

“I encourage everyone in the Australian aviation industry to engage in this review.

“The Coalition Government is determined to do everything it can to make a good safety system even better.”

The Review Panel, chaired by Mr David Forsyth AM, is now calling for public and industry submissions. Submissions close 31 January 2014.

Mr David Forsyth AM, will Chair the review panel. Mr Forsyth is a prominent figure in Australian aviation. He is the chair of Safeskies Australia, former chair of Airservices Australia and has over 30 years of experience in safety management and aviation business.

Mr Forsyth will be joined by Mr Don Spruston, former Director General of Civil Aviation at Transport Canada and former Director General of the International Business Aviation Council, and by Mr Roger Whitefield, former Head of Safety at British Airways, former safety adviser to Qantas and former United Kingdom Civil Aviation Authority board member.

The review panel will provide its report to the Deputy Prime Minister in May 2014.

Submissions may be made through the Department of Infrastructure and Regional Development’s website at: www.infrastructure.gov.au/aviation/asrr.
This news just in, hot off the server.

Interesting that it now sounds like more regulation rather than cleaning out the deadwood
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The Coalition Government is determined to do everything it can to make a good safety system even better.
You see: It’s already a ‘good system’!

If you’re considering making a submission suggesting that the current system isn’t that ‘good’, it might be worth first confirming that authors of submissions are protected by parliamentary privilege.
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casa is out of touch with the Aviation Industry

Finally have something to agree with you on creamy in the Inquisition.

The protection is needed as you so allude, and in the Senate estimates, which had serious concerns on giving evidence:

Senator XENOPHON: I still do not know how the panel is going to do its job if it does not give privilege to people.

Maybe this is a question that should be first asked of the Committee.
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'Air Safety Through Investigation'

Creamy, good pick up. Improving our 'already good system' is a nice misrepresentation of the truth, and a cleverly worded little nugget of deceit
Naughty naughty spin doctors spinning away on behalf of Truss. One has to recognise, acknowledge and admit that the system is very very sick, terminal, complete ****e (as it currently is), before any changes can be made. That recognition is yet to be acknowledge by those who can introduce the fixes. I mean the IOS and a host of aviation core people know it, but don't have the horsepower to change it.
On a seperate note, the ISASI article below is worth a guernsey.

http://www.isasi.org/Documents/Forum...t-Dec_2013.pdf

Chair Tadros keynote address was quite succinct, and it emphasizes how investigations, per se, have and are changing in scope, technique and methodology. I think that Mr Spruston the review panel expert from the land of the Moose will be quite surprised at how our ATSBeaker has slipped backwards faster than a CASA executive slipping between two taxpayer troughs! The Canucks have pretty much got it right in the investigative field, and so have our brothers in Singapore and the USA. I am sort of hoping that one outcome of the review will be the actual implementation in Australia of workable regulations and a return to sane rules and the world class quality type investigations that the ATSBeaker used to do before Bills and Stray went away and Jules Verne and Beaker took the helm. I remain sceptical about the Governments intent, however if enough of the underlying issues make light a small brushfire may erupt, regardless of how much they try to smother it. A small brushfire has the capacity to turn into a fully fledged bushfire which is what we need. Remember, a fire is destructive, however after the fire new foliage sprouts and takes over………

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[quote]-----it might be worth first confirming that authors of submissions are protected by parliamentary privilege. [/quote]

Well said, particularly as all submissions, including those marked "confidential" will be available to anyone in Government, but especially CASA, who wants to look at them.

Defo. is alive and well as a source of income for lawyers who specialise in that sort of thing ----- and both CASA and Airservices have threatened or actually taken action for defamation against industry players who have been critical of individuals.

All the above in addition to CASA's propensity to not view criticism kindly.

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the only way to handle that is to make absolutely no submissions.
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More tea Vicar?

I hardly ever wish-upon-a-star; the occasional muttered comment to whatever pagan gods are handy serves any need for divine intervention; but I'd probably do both to be at the briefing sessions between Team Truss and the Pel Air Senate crew. The outcome of that is going to decide what colour the elephant gets painted. It's a racing certainty that without the drive, dedication and determination of that Senate committee, it's all over, bar the shouting.

The weasel words are flowing, trite little apologies, enough spin to shame a whirling dervish, severely constricted ToR and the joys of defo threatening are all part of the Murky Machiavellian toolkit. Neat little tricks to block parliamentary privilege, tame professional board sitters; the show is starting to look more a vicars tea party than a down and dirty attempt to straighten out the mess.

Aye well, at least when the next preventable smoking hole appears, we can define precisely just who's hands are bloody. We did try to warn them.

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at least when the next preventable smoking hole appears, we can define precisely just who's hands are bloody. We did try to warn them.
No mate they will say "We held inquiries and hearings and inquests and did all we could reasonably do. The company concerned has passed many safety audits in our excellent aviation safety regulatory system. Therefore, it must be pilot error".
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Newsflash: I.O.S.C.B pick for international player - Alan Farkus E.A.A.C.B

In keeping with the rules of the upcoming TASRR World Series Cricket competition (Bodyline series MKII), the IOSCB has met in a EBM to discuss the 2 international selections. For the proposed first pick the board has unanimously supported the motion to send an invitational to the EAACB for the services of Alan Farkus (a.k.a F**K You).

Farkus has been touted as being the next great allrounder of WSC(USA). He currently opens the bowling for the EAA and has a formidable record with consistent bowling speeds at over 150km, he has a huge bumper ball that has got under the chin of many an FAA inspector and as first drop for the EAA, has the incredible batting figures of 99.9.

We (the IOSCB) hope the IOS membership fully support our first international selection and nominations for the 2nd selection are now open.

Some excerpts off the CV of Alan Farkus (a.k.a F**k You)....

Aero-News Update: The Other Shoe Drops -- EAA Files Brief in EAA v FAA Fee War

Aero-News Podcast MP3

Petition for Review and Other Relief
Regardless; make no mistake about it... a decidedly and increasingly unkind and unfriendly FAA has now learned in no uncertain terms that a once compliant General and Sport Aviation community is starting to wake up to the realities of a federal government that is more interested in politics and serving itself than doing the job is has done for decades -- and is still expected to do. {hmm...sounds familiar }

If the FAA thought the entire industry was going to roll over and let them run roughshod over our rights and their responsibilities (to us), then it seems that the time has come to disabuse them of that notion. And we MUST offer serious kudos to EAA for having the Cojones to step up and meet the FAA on the legal field of battle... we were worried that they didn't have it in them... and now we know they do.

From here on out, it looks to be a dogfight, folks, and we'll keep you updated.
[YOUTUBE]

EAA's Legal Position:
  • The FAA's Decision to Demand Payment from EAA for ATC Services at AirVenture Is Arbitrary, Capricious, an Abuse of Discretion, and Otherwise Not in Accordance with Law.
  • The FAA Lacks Statutory Authority to Impose Fees on EAA for ATC Services.
  • The FAA's Charge for ATC Services Is an Unlawful User Fee
  • The FAA's Imposition of Fees on EAA for ATe Services Violates the Separation of Powers Doctrine
  • The Purported Agreement Is Invalid Due to Duress
Gotta love the yanks...

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A Sunday laugh.

Great idea HLB (#130) - A bloody good way to save a few trees. Maybe we just write the IOS Act and submit it, save a load of dollars, messing about with reviews and inquiries. Here ya go mate; done and dusted on the back of a beer coaster. Easy peasy.

The IOSCB Aviation Act, (writ small in fine print).

The rule of law is officially made redundant by this Act. Herewith and henceforward all accidents or incidents, no matter how repetitive, no matter how serious, irrespective of who gets killed or nearly drown are not our fault. Henceforward -nothing is 'our' fault.

We the untouchables led by the unsavoury hereby avow and declare Criminal Pilot Error (non prosecutable because of the silly rules of evidence) to be the predetermined outcome of any future accident or incident.

We the invincible in cooperation with the unconscionable solemnly declare our intention to only present our own home spun version of events; disregard peer group safety recommendations (what would they know) and will outlaw the attendance of our people in nasty Coroners courtrooms.

We will promise to continue our world leading efforts to ensure that whether those who toil in our sheltered workshops bring their children to work or not; we will provide a no worries workplace.
Looks like Sarcs has discovered one the differences between the US outlook and Australian don't look. Can we persuade Mr Farkuse or better still Sean Elliot (VP EAA) to travel over here and bat for the IOS first XI? that should go down very nicely with the tea and scones set. Must be very nice to have the dollars, the laws, the membership, the interest and the political courage to tangle with the monolith of US government.

I wish him, his cojones and all EAA members, the very best of all things. Bravo!!

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At a Christmas BBQ.

LS # 127 - "and both CASA and Airservices have threatened or actually taken action for defamation against industry players who have been critical of individuals."
I heard a very ugly rumour yesterday; which if ever proven true demands immediate, urgent public action. This came not from the TL fuel depot; but from a fairly well informed source. I hope there is no truth in the tale, but FWIW - the conversation, paraphrased : "Seems Arthur Pape has been copping all kinds of flack - attacked, disadvantaged and threatened for publishing - his article - on Pprune and for refusing to bow down and back off. Tactics of a Non model litigant are being ruthlessly applied".

I can't give it to you chapter and verse; wish I could, so for once, try to read between the lines I can give you. This sort of thing needs a positive response from government even if it's just a simple denial, because if true and ever proven, it's time to turn off the lights.
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Sarcs comment: Trolling back through the history of our truly only GA reps involvement in past parliamentary inquiries, there was one submission of note back in 1999-2000 that the association should seriously consider re-badging/updating (name changes etc) and forward as their submission for the TASRR:House Committee sub 145 Hmm...on second thoughts perhaps not!
Folks,
In those days, AOPA was a very different and much larger organization, with a very different approach to the present and much smaller AOPA. As somebody basks on one post, can and organisation that takes money from CASA be independent -- or more importantly: "Bite the hand that feeds it".

Of course not!!!

In comparison, in the 90s and early 2000s, a prime AOPA policy was "Pay your own way, have your own say", and, actually, quite a lot was achieved, including forcing Parts 21 to 35 into law.

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Dis custard is disgusting.

Well !: maybe the Pape episode is a good starting point for the Forsyth saga. I hear Doc Pape had a sit down with the inimitable Fawcett yesterday, the tea lady told the delivery man she overheard that apparently Doc Pape can no longer possibly be considered a suitable 'expert witness' since he became a tendentious blogger and joined the IOS. Well that's at least one side of the story, told in whispers and innuendo, but as much as I can get for moment; there may yet be a rebuttal. Or even solid fact, which would be nice.

But if true, then it makes as sad a statement about the use of regulation. Almost any, no matter how thin, stretch of 'legal' embuggerance which can be used to delay, divert and drag out an AAT case seems to be an acceptable norm. Of course it's all bollocks; both sides know that, but what sort of 'model' litigant would stoop to such low, budget stretching tactics in an attempt to win a case. We know children, don't we.

Perhaps the Vicars crew could start with the Pape issue, just to gain some insight. Although it does seem the Murky Machiavellian script shuns any sort of unpleasant head on confrontation with the bullies or providing solace to the victims. There is a public statement on this made – HERE – seems everyone is invited for tea and scones provided you wear your Sunday best, shoes polished, noses wiped, hands clean and you play nice; otherwise back to the workhouse for you. Always though it was cruel to invite the local urchins up to the 'big house' for tea, scones and pony rides, then dump them back at the orphanage, bewildered and confused; but I digress. Three monkeys story anyone:-you know; hear, speak and see no evil. etc..

He said the panel was open to anything industry players wanted to tell it; however, Mr Truss had been clear in the terms of reference that he wanted a strategic review that did not re-examine investigations or look at individual complaints.
He said he understood some smaller operators were particularly cranky about the way CASA operated, but that the panel was not a witch-hunt and he would be seeking CASA's viewpoint.
"As with all of these things there's never any one fault," he said. "When you've got a relationship breakdown it takes at least two and sometimes three, so it will be interesting to hear both sides of it."

Admitting that managing the review would need "a fair bit of diplomacy", he said people would need to recognise that the panel was attempting to try and improve the situation. Being vitriolic about CASA or other players was not going to be seen as being particularly helpful.

"The panel obviously wants to get to the meat of these things and deal with it and maybe look at some options for improvement," he said "It isn't here to sit down to hear people rant and rave so people need to be measured in the way they put their responses together."
Aye well, bollocks aside: I notice the whoever put the CASA calendar together this year has managed to include the month of March; stellar achievement. It is to be fervently hoped that those responsible for previous omissions to the Julian calendar have since been educated to deal with this new legislation (circa 45 BC) and are not removed to any sort of responsible position after having learnt a 'new skill set'.

Addendum : Pro Aviation - Paul Phelan reports from the tea rooms.

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Safety Review - A Feeding Frenzy At Moorabbin

The locals will be out in force no doubt trying to get the recreational facilities moved or shut down. It's shame Moorabbin has such a mixed record. And there is going to be an onslaught of the below the belt digs (humorous or not): Andrew Jenkins - YouTube
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A Hart of gold

As always, Phelan pens a succinct article, and kudos to the Ferryman for posting the link. It's the kind of article that should be read rather than consigned to the Shelfware files. I just hope that Sky Sentinel isn't being used as part of the security system that ties into the review panels office, and especially that safe?
Surely such a secure system would not be vulnerable to some crafty ASIO style bugging and surveillance program? I might phone the Australian Embassy in Jakarta and ask them Hang on a minute, CASA/ASIO? Doesn't CASA HR have an ex ASIO dude working for them in IR

But some interesting observations must be made. If CASA are truly the model litigant and the upholders of integrity that they claim to be, why are they so mistrusted by industry and the IOS? And why the continual claims of bullying from both industry and internal staff if there isn't a bullying culture or issue? Senator Xenophon has certainly picked up on that issue, and I do recall him asking The Skull about his alleged temper issues. (I know, a low blow by Xenophon. And just because there was a Star Chamber at CX years ago that doesn't mean The Skull has done anything wrong).
Anyway, I wouldn't have thought that any government department would allow, tolerate or even deliberately foster a bullying regime? But hey, it's probably just the rumour mill doing its thing? It's all false, just a load of tautological accusations by the IOS yet again.

Now the other thing that keeps niggling at me is the exit of Mr Hart from the ICC. Now I know we are looking at a couple of years ago now since he resigned, but why does a man of integrity, sound judgement and fairness just pull the pin overnight? It would be great if Nick and friends could question him under parliamentary privilege? Hart was a good man, his reputation preceded him and his departure is still being rued by industry 5 years later. Why is that?

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Chameleon effect.

Although senators had sought parliamentary privilege for people and organisations who lodge submissions, it has been explained that under the parliamentary rules, privilege can only be conferred on proceedings that are in fact part of the Parliamentary process, whereas the ASRR’s review is at the behest of the Minister, not the Parliament but is not an instrument of the parliament.
This is a bit too much like the now infamous interpretation of "air transport" used to squeeze airport leases to a satisfactory conclusion for my taste. Give the review to the Senate under Pel Air recommendation 13, perhaps after we get the minuscule 's long awaited response (at some point in the distant future).

"The committee recommends that a short inquiry be conducted by the Senate Standing Committee on Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport into the current status of aviation regulatory reform to assess the direction, progress and resources expended to date to ensure greater visibility of the processes...."
That way people who feel they need confidentiality will get it by being able to give evidence 'in camera'...just a thought?? Hate to think we would have to revisit R13 at a later date just to salvage the integrity of the Minister...now that would be a waste.
[We] even have a safe in the office I’m sitting in at the moment, which is a substantial measure itself, because it used to be the Head of Government Security’s safe. We put anything in there that we’ve been given; we require an extra degree of security around it; and we already have one document in there.

“Everything potentially sensitive will be kept in the safe; it can only be accessed by one person and that person is not me; it’s one person who is general manager here. So even if I want to look at something there it’s got to go back to him. Anything we put in a safe we are not copying, there is an original in the safe, and that’s it. So if someone makes a confidential submission and wants it totally protected we can do that; no one can refer to it, and it goes back in the safe when the panel’s finished with it. What it boils down to I think, is if people don’t tell us what they want to tell us, we can’t do anything about it.
Pause: just for a second, and consider the practicalities of this fatuous statement. They are expecting 300 submissions, they have one 'key holder' and no mention of a document 'log in - log out' system. Anyone with practical experience of committee work knows that to manage 300 documents over a period of what, six months, what happens; and it's just not going to work.

I think if somebody tried to extract vengeance because of a submission to our review, it would be pretty obvious that that’s what’s happened, and I just don’t think CASA would be that unwise.
I think the Vicar has only ever seen CASA at work through the haze generated over the trough at the happy, clappy, feel good, all mates together "Safe Skies" circus. So when this establishment figure turns up to have a 'chat' you can reasonably expect to be politely listened to – but will you be heard?

The Panel acknowledges that all the submissions including confidential submissions may be made available to ‘interested government departments and government instrumentalities under certain circumstances
Add to this a seriously 'secret squirrel' review, this panel could spend the next six months ducking in and out of the local cat houses, boozing in bordellos, riding skateboards around the park, sparing some little time between morning tea and lunch to "chat" with industry; then hire some catamite to script a smooth 60 pages on glossy paper. Transparent – I think not.

Nope, the high priest of the establishment is going to have to do a lot better than the closing speech of the last 'safe skies' stitch up to convince the IOS, anyone hear it? 10 minutes of thank you and platitude, not a positive statement in sight except a determination to do it all again. Is the mystery wielder of the wet lettuce leaf finally unmasked?

Speaking of wet lettuce - I note Phelan who is usually big on word counts devotes 810 words to the Forsyth saga and a paltry 172 to the potential of it all becoming just another round of old bollocks.

Now the other thing that keeps niggling at me is the exit of Mr Hart from the ICC. Now I know we are looking at a couple of years ago now since he resigned, but why does a man of integrity, sound judgement and fairness just pull the pin overnight? It would be great if Nick and friends could question him under parliamentary privilege?
I for one would dearly love to hear what the inestimable Hart has to say in interview, maybe when the Senate crew get hold of this imbroglio - some time next year (perhaps).

Added - While I'm 'at it' comrade Sarcs seems to have hit the wrong thread (maybe) anyway, it's worth a read – HERE – on Pprune. It looks as though W. Entsch (Wazza) has added some fuel to the fire – sorry no link – Try Torres Post.

Boogar !!- I omitted the robust Freudian slip. (Big smile).

[We] even have a safe in the office I’m sitting in at the moment,
There you see, all tucked up 'sitting' in the safe; dreadful Grand ma, just awful.

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Brt brt brt

I can picture it now, Creamys wet lettuce being fed by Farmer Truss to the chooks, the chooks in turn dropping loads of rooster booster on the ground and covering industry in it.

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The other problem of course is the foxes; man do they like to get into a chook shed. Neither locks, threats or the polite throwing of cucumber sandwiches work half as well a bloody big guard dog. Handing over....Where's Steven Palethorpe when we need him. Woof woof.

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Devil Chook shed war acronyms: IR..PR..COI..SOPs..CRM..etc

IR- 'Internal Rift': "K" thanks for reminding me..
It looks as though W. Entsch (Wazza) has added some fuel to the fire – sorry no link – Try Torres Post.
Although Creamy damns Wazza's rhetoric as all PIW(piss in wind), could there be another potential IR within the ranks of the Coalition government?? FNQ aviation industry urged to speak up :
“I would absolutely encourage anyone who has had an issue with CASA procedures - and in particular their officers - to put in a submission,” Mr Entsch said.

“In addition, if they have experienced repeated and unresolved problems with individuals within CASA, they can give evidence in Canberra and name them. Testimony will be subject to parliamentary privilege and cannot be intimidated by legal threats.”
And..Not the Torres News...?? :
"I’ve had a lot of people contact me who have been afraid of victimisation if they speak up; this inquiry gives them an opportunity to provide evidence in camera. This will offer them anonymity and protect them from intimidating threats of defamation.

"People can be honest and frank."
Hmm..be interesting to be a FOTW (fly on the wall..) of Coalition HQ over the next couple of days..

PR- personal rage: In the PP article do I detect a note of, barely controlled, PR by the PC (Professional Chair) in having to lower himself to address the concerns of that riff raff mob the IOS (GA) and all its AASG (associated alphabet soup groups)??: Safe to report to us

COI - Conflict of interest: {Note: Apologies "K" for posting on the other thread} In post # 1658 I reference the SS13 (safeskies13 speakers) and their mugshots. There was one particular mugshot where the gentleman in question (minus the fedora) could have stepped out of a scene from the Untouchables..

[YOUTUBE]


Comparison aside....this particular gentleman's cv should be of extreme interest to all IOS members, quote:

...."is no stranger to the portfolio having begun his Australian Public Service career in 1988 as a Graduate with the then Department of Transport and Communications. He has held a number of senior positions across the portfolio. His work with the portfolio includes management of international and domestic aviation policy and regulation, the airport sales and regulation program, infrastructure investment, the COAG competition policy reform agenda, rail investment and regulatory reform, maritime policy, emissions, energy and natural resources policy...."

This gentleman practically started crawling in the hallowed halls of the Department (DoT...DoIT etc..etc), he knows better than anyone where all the skeletons are buried and bore witness to twenty plus years of the RRP "drifting along". He also did a stint in Sunny's beloved PMC...

...."Between March 2008 and June 2009...was Deputy Secretary (Governance) with the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet with responsibility for government, governance, cabinet secretariat and corporate functions within PM&C...."

He even had a hand in the School Halls & pink batts saga...

....."In 2009 he was the inaugural Commonwealth Coordinator General charged with ensuring the effective implementation of key Commonwealth economic stimulus infrastructure investments...."

Memo to the Minister: There is no doubting that this gentleman has been a good and faithful servant of the people for a quarter of a century..but Minister for the sake of transparency and integrity please consider handing the admin of the TASRR over to the Senate RRAT committee and letting concerned individuals, operators etc have the protection of parliamentary privilege!

SOPs - Separation of powers: The BRB believe that this issue is something the panel should seriously consider while reviewing the functions of FF...??

CRM - Controlled Rage Mandate: Something all IOS members have sworn to uphold i.e all sledging to be kept on the field of play or behind closed doors in the CSS (Chook Shed stadium)....
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