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Old 18th Aug 2014, 05:15
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I do sincerely hope that the new director of aviation safety (a nonsense concept if ever there was one) is a Canadian.

Break the bull**** australian way of embuggerated regulation by experts and bring in some "lets get it working again" sensible logic.

from my perspective the canadians have learnt lessons that the rest of the world have yet to realise.

canadian owner maintenance. brilliant concept.

provision to decertify a privately owned aircraft and maintain it on a stand alone basis. brilliant concept.

much of CAsA's problems lie in trying to enforce the nonsense of "Certification" on a population that can well understand aviation and don't need certifying of anything that is successful.
it has cost CAsA millions in lost law suits all because of the stupid way it persists in trying to do business.

imposition of wills arguments will never work in our egalitarian society.
far better to follow the canadian example and do what the people want.

in fact a read of canadian legislation shows it to have items unique to snow operations that would not be applicable here in australia.
but here is the rub.
if we introduced the canadian regulations in this country as a straight replacement of the voluminous garbage that CAsA has created there would be no actual impediment on safety. a great chunk of the regulations would be no less irrelevant than the garbage we have been dished up with to date.

can we have some sanity in this country or do I need to emigrate?
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 05:43
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Dubya,
based on the inaction of minister WUSS,
I'd be trotting along to the Canook embassy.
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From a concerned constituent from the bush...

QANDA- From Cooper Pedy resident: Warren Truss heard on Aunty today...
Council told to widen Coober Pedy runway

Posted about 4 hours ago
Mon 18 Aug 2014, 12:13pm

Map: Coober Pedy 5723


The District Council of Coober Pedy says it appears to have no choice but to widen the town's runway.
New Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) regulations regarding runway widths come into place in February.

Mayor Steve Baines says council was under the impression the runway would not need to be widened but has now been told it does.
He says it could cost up to $500,000.

Councillor Baines says local government elections will make it difficult to complete the work in time.

"Our council will not be able to enter into a contract that exceeds $100,000 while in caretaker mode, that basically means that unless we obtain ministerial approval we will not be able to enter into the contract to widen our runway," he said.

"Although ... REX and Kendall have been flying into Coober Pedy for 20 years without incident, there now seems to be some requirement for that runway to be widened."
...also I have a mate, who has a couple of properties the size of Tassie, that sometimes require him to fly past beer'o'clock and he is now getting told by some foreign bloke in Canberra that being as he is colour blind he may no longer be able to do this legally... So my question is when are going to tell these d**kheads to get back in their boxes...???
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 06:59
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From the 26 May 2014 Estimates hearing of the Rural and Regional Affairs and Transport Legislation Committee
Mr McCormick: I will ask our Acting Executive Manager, Aerodromes and Airspace Regulation Division, Ms Cheryl Allman, to give you the full picture. …

Ms Allman: I have asked Mr Rick Leeds, Acting Executive Manager of Standards, to accompany me as this is a regulatory development project, particularly around the narrow runways. So I might defer to his expertise. He might, with your permission, be able to answer your question better.

Senator FAWCETT: Thank you. Mr Leeds?

Mr Leeds: As has been pointed out, we currently have a standards development project underway to amend Civil Aviation Regulation 235A which goes to aircraft performance, specifically as it relates to operations on narrow runways. What we are trying to do is separate the responsibilities. It is not an aerodrome issue per se; it is an issue for the operators and the aircraft and the performance of those aircraft operating on those runways. As the director has pointed out, we are talking to manufacturers of aircraft, like SAAB, and the development of aircraft flight manual supplements that support the performance of those aircraft. Where those flight manual supplements exist, then the operation of those aircraft can continue on those runways.

Senator FAWCETT: Where is that process at? If the community want to know, what certainty do they have that the only service to their part of a fairly remote bit of South Australia is going to continue?

Mr Leeds: My understanding is that we are about to write to the aerodrome operator at Coober Pedy to give him the assurance that the NPRM process is just about finished. We should be releasing the amended CAR 235A that makes it very clear what the operator's responsibilities are concerning having the flight manual supplements that support the operation of the aircraft on the narrow runways. Again, we have been talking to the manufacturers. They are keen to get involved to produce the documentation. We do not envisage that there will be any interruption to services to Coober Pedy .
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 09:18
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When the DAS becomes the Director General of ICAO in a few months, our runways will have to be as wide as they are long!

Time to find that number for the truck driving school.
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 10:05
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If that happens, it will be the end of aviation as we know it (or used too).
Quote from Apocalypse Now; "the horror, the horror"!
There are a lot of similarities with Kurtz and the Skull. Think about it! Is Wodger the crazed photographer?
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Old 18th Aug 2014, 11:51
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Bloody hell!!!..honestly you couldn't make this up...

Lets see...the wider the runway the safer it is??..okay Yup get that!

We have KSA runway 34/16..12,000 Ft approx.

So the theory is a runway 12,000 X 12,000 is much safer than a runway 12,000 X 45 meters.

What about a runway that's 12,000 ft long and 24,000 ft wide?..

Na sorry not long enough!!!

Not too many of us left that remember an all over field!!

OKAY.. fill in the rest of Botany bay, and de-mine Holsworthy...are we there yet????

How the hell are they going to fit Badgerys Creek into the Sydney basin??
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"the horror, the horror"!
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Old 19th Aug 2014, 09:25
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How long before the MMSM get suss on an ailing Truss?

Not sure if the Planetalking headline...Huh! Truss says 2nd Sydney Airport won’t grow all that much...was amended by design but the link heading at the top of the page actually reads...

"Has deputy PM Truss had brain fade over 2nd Sydney Airport?"

Oh well either way I wonder how long it will be before the MMSM start questioning the performance of a clearly more & more stage managed DPM??

More bad press for Fort Fumble..

Noticed that today Oz Flying had the following short article in follow up to their coverage (ref: CASA Advocates ASAAO for Community Service Flights) of yesterday's FF release of DP 13717OS
Angel Flight Reacts to Discussion Paper
19 Aug 2014



Angel Flight founder Bill Bristow, AM, has sent an e-mail to the organisation's pilots condemning CASA's Discussion Paper released yesterday.

CASA released DP1317 suggesting that passengers on community service flights need the protection of regulation, and that their preferred option would be for the co-ordinating organisation to take on responsibility of ensuring safe operation.

"We have previously made personal representations to Minister Truss's senior advisers on this matter," Bristow says in the e-mail.

"We take the position that the intervention of CASA is unnecessary, unwarranted, and unreasonable. In short, there is nothing about our charity’s operation that needs addressing.

"There has been no demonstrated safety issue arising out of Angel Flight’s already greater than 16,500 missions and therefore the 'safety authority' appears to be introducing, in the circumstances, bureaucratic intervention which does not appear to us to have any foundation."

Angel Flight does not own or operate any aircraft itself, but is a co-ordinating charity that introduces people who need to travel for medical reasons to pilots who donate their time and aircraft costs. The flights are generally classified as private.

The discussion paper can be downloaded from the CASA website, and responses need to be sent to CASA no later than 10 October 2014.
Also notice how the common theme to all the responses to the latest missives coming out of Fort Fumble is...

"...There has been no demonstrated safety issue.."


TICK..TOCK RED!

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Old 19th Aug 2014, 14:06
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the joke regarding narrow runways is of course on CAsA and our stupid government.
if the money that has been wasted on oversight and regulatory embuggerment had been spent by the government on actually widening the runways in question there would be no need for the embuggerment or the new regs.

I thought this was an infrastructure government
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Planes, what planes?

I thought this was an infrastructure government
But it is D8 it is - pink bats, school halls, ergonomic government only buildings and a handful of fighter planes, and existing fighter jets for which Defence has cut its fuel budget for. Sadly it's ingrained in our Australian political culture, moulded over the past century and it will never change. The day we finally get a proactive, balls out, constituent focused ruling power will be the day that our GA industry here at home becomes the envy of the world. And with people like Clive and Lambie waiting in the breeches do you think it's ever going to happen?
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Old 19th Aug 2014, 21:13
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Rudderless, clueless and nowhere to hide.

The mystique of aviation safety has always in the past provided sanctuary, a nice big rock to slither under from where stern edicts and warnings could be issued, to baffle the 'masters' and ensure the trough was always full. Easy game and being as how the Polly's mostly could care less, provided their arses were covered; all was well.

Rudderless; when the safety rock was disturbed there was a great need to re-establish the status quo, to do this some form of credibility needed to be regained, quick smart. The stumbling block was that from the top down to about layer two, there was no one left to show the way or lead the tribe back to the promised land, not with any sort of deniable credibility that is.

Clueless; left to their own devices and forced to meet away from safety rock, little groups got together and cobbled together twisted, convoluted little plans, designed to make them shine in the eyes of those who were looking at eradication. Lot's of silly little plots designed to show that 'the authority' was still in control and business was really as usual. The safety watch dog at work. So, the rule book was dragged out and changed, the notion being that when industry rejected it, with much tub thumping and self faradisation, the Regulator could return to it's customary role as 'the authority'. Then there's the CVD tribe, a nice safe little 'safety' drum to bang on, which should garner some kudos – it is after all a 'safety issue'. Some even decided that the naked safety risks posed by 'Angel flight' would provide the vehicle to stardom and re-establish the lustre on a soiled reputation. Not to be outdone, the airports and runways boys get an outing; more dust kicked up....Clueless? Oh yes...

Nowhere to hide ; except behind the skirts of the minuscule and the trusty watchdog. This, while providing temporary shelter is not a secure, long term bolt hole. The minuscule will only stand firm provided the opposition forwards don't push too hard. With an acceptable means to pass the ball to the backs, the minuscule will unload rather than get tackled and embroiled in a ruck. He needs to be fit and uninjured for the big game in Qld.

Aye well, the second half kicks off next week in a parliament near you, there will be some pre game entertainment before the kick off; but sooner or later, the whistle will blow for the start of play. I just hope the game justifies the price of the ticket. We shall see.

Selah....

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Old 20th Aug 2014, 01:27
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When the "great smoking black hole" happens, who will be the most vocal? (excepting of course the aviation industry that has been warning of it for years).

Yes folks, it's the poor bloody fare paying public who will scream most and loudest and they "WILL" effect change. The same public that made change to keep our "National Carrier" despite it being on the verge of non existence through a variety of fiscal, management, and environmental reasons. (What's their share price today)?

The same public that hold thousands and thousands more votes than the entire aviation industry and its family's dogs and cats and relatives.
Without alarming that same public by advising them their sorry backsides are in danger from an unelected inept and probably corrupt and destructive mob of public servants, (because that will probably be cause for action under some anti terror law), they are the ones this pitiful industry need to get on side.

I've given up preaching to those who can't effect change because they are irrelevant in the big scheme of things, and I intend to hitch my wagon to some ratbag populist mob like Wikileaks, Green or PUP Senators who WILL effect change because people do listen to them, (if only to criticize them). Bugga me, the left handed lesbian surfboard riders association have more members that the aviation industry. The industry Unions have more chance of making change. Look at the recent decision not to fly over war zones.

Before you dismiss this "ratbaggery", just look at some of the previous comments you have written here. One poster has linked Pink Batts, school halls, fighter planes to the current mob of political lightweights that somehow finds relevance in an aviation problem. The fact that Defence spending has increased is irrelevant because that's not what the public "THINK".

One problem, CAsA, which functions irrespective of political master. One solution and that solution is out of the aviation industry control. That solution is out of political control.

Actually it's the "problem" that's "IN CONTROL".

The public need to be afraid!
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Old 20th Aug 2014, 01:48
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Folks,
Just to remind you that the only reason the runway width issues has been created is "ICAO Compliance". For years we built runways to a set of standards that were the US standards.

Instead of the current "project" a simple way would have been to notify ICAO of a difference, but that would have raised the issue of CASA "liability" for allowing operations that did not meet ICAO SARPs.

On this basis, YSSY should be very carefully examined, runway width and length are not the only criteria for aerodrome standards --- I believe such an examination would result in operations rates on 16R/34L being severely curtailed.

That would get the attention of the Minister !!!!!

Tootle pip!!
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TAAAF speaks up.

Courtesy of Australian Flying:

Industry Keen for New CASA Relationship: TAAAF

20 Aug 2014


An aviation industry forum has expressed its enthusiasm for resetting its relationship with CASA in the wake of the Forsyth Report.

The Australian Aviation Associations Forum (TAAAF) has called for more co-operative interaction between CASA and the aviation industry, stating that the last five years have been damaging.

"The industry has a mature approach to aviation safety and recognizes that working with a regulator is far more likely to produce positive safety outcomes than the inappropriate aggressive regulatory stance identified in the Forsyth Report into CASA," Chris Manning, Honorary Chair of TAAAF said on behalf of the united associations.

"The Minister’s imminent announcement of the new CASA Board, the announcement of the successful candidate for the Director of Air Safety / CASA CEO position, the outlining of a new direction for CASA through the Government’s response to the Forsyth Report and the Government’s honouring of its pre-election commitments to an Aviation Industry Consultative Council and other measures represent a significant changing of the guard.

"Industry stands ready and enthusiastic to bring in a new era of enlightened regulation for aviation safety in Australia to repair the damage of recent years."

As well as expressing a desire to improve the strained relationship with the regulator, TAAAF also took aim at the new regulations scheduled to become effective on 1 September. Among those is the 1500-page CASR Part 61, which deals with a new licencing scheme, and Part 141, which details the requirements for non-integrated flying training.

"Many industry participants have reasonably asked for the parts’ commencement to be deferred again as CASA – and consequently industry – is simply not ready," Manning said.

"Part 61 is an overcomplicated and overweight document that would benefit from an intense period of quality control. The likely impacts on training businesses are significant.

"The final Manual of Standards is apparently still under development."

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And from Australian Aviation: Industry forum says imminent announcement of new CASA boss a chance for fresh start

Six days till parliament sits, maximum of eleven days till a new DAS is announced, not sure on the two new board member announcements..

TICK..TOCK RED nearly time to wake up the miniscule!
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...a simple way would have been to notify ICAO of a difference, but that would have raised the issue of CASA "liability" for allowing operations that did not meet ICAO SARPs.
I'm not so sure that CASA would be too bothered about liability LS, what with 97 pages of differences filed at last count (AIP SUP H18/14).

And also, taking into account the difference filed by CASA with ICAO Annex 19 (Safety Management), Chapter 1. Industry codes of practice, because those aren't referred to in Australian legislation, it seems highly likely that to CASA the SARPs don't matter in any case.
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Unhappy liability?

Hey Leadsled,

To whom and to what extent would CASA be liable by maintaining sovereign rules that differ from ICAO?
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Six days till parliament sits, maximum of eleven days till a new DAS is announced, not sure on the two new board member announcements..

From The Australian
THE search is on for a new head of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority after incumbent John McCormick opted not to renew his contract.

Mr McCormick will stay as director of aviation safety until August 31 while the CASA board hunts for a replacement and to handle any fallout from the federal government’s review into aviation safety regulation due to be completed in May.
So McCormick was /is due to finish on the 31st. Yet the new director has not been announced. Isn't it usual for a handover period.

Truss and senate inquiry well buried in the long grass. Just wondering if the independents can stir it up next week?
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"Patience Grasshopper!"

From Dougy's insight 21 August 2014:
I note that the Australian Aviation Associations’ Forum has been quietly prodding the Minister this week, with a press release saying in part “while industry has been very patient over the last 12 months, it is now keen to see real change and a more positive, cooperative relationship with CASA that is the benchmark of good aviation safety regulation across the world”.

This comes on top of earlier calls from industry for the Minister to expedite the process, but there’s still no sign of an announcement about either the Director of Safety or two other board roles at CASA. I know it’s critical to get it right but how long can it take? You have to start to wonder whether the shortlist put forward has been rejected in total. The current DAS’s time runs out on 31 August and I strongly suspect neither he nor the Minister wants an extension.
Hmm...Dougy is no wiser than the rest of the IOS..

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MTF...
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Muddy waters, too thin to plough, too thick to drink.

I'm no longer certain the minuscule can tie his boot laces without makeup and medication let alone face down the 'Iron Rong' or escape from the clutches of the murky Machiavellian crew.

Qantas and Virgin are centre stage next week distracting the media and industry. There will never be a better time for a sneaky, low key announcement of the Rong DAS being appointed and of a soft white paper emerging; neatly hidden within the Qantas white noise.

Of the two remaining candidates there is only one serious contender; but the GWM don't want a bar of either a reform DAS or the reforms. There is enormous resistance, much subtle and some not so subtle pressure on Truss to renege on promises and dilute the process down to an Albo style of white paper and engage the department's Rong selection. Will he back down again is the big question? Can the Abbott government afford another broken promise is probably a bigger question; for without doubt if Truss drops the ball, that's what it will be. Aviation may be insignificant, but a broken promise in the hands of the opposition, even a small one can and will be used against.

The potential for damage to industry, particularly in rural electorates is immense. Truss is supposed to be National, Rural and to care for his constituents. When aviation crumbles, as it must, for it can no longer limp along as it does now; it will be the bush that suffers most. If Truss drops the ball will he be gifting his seat to the opposition or worse Palmer or even a green thing. Not many votes in aviation eh? – not until the opposition start working on another failure of the Abbott government promises.

Put the aviation industry first:-

Think of the millions saved and the millions brought in by a healthy robust industry.

Think of the international kudos for Truss and Australia; for people overseas know exactly how much ****e the industry is in.

Please note: We pay for the service CASA provides; not the bloated bloody plutocrats blocking the changes. Man up, deep breath, support the reform, give the job to the right bloke and for once, do the right bloody thing; provide the changes which are expected and the reforms which are demanded.

Selah..

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