EK A380 Taxi Mishap - YBBN 14/10/13
How do you miss a taxiway with a moving map gps display and signposts? If you're paying attention to whats going on I have difficulty accepting that you can miss that taxiway when the map in front of you shows you where you are and shows the taxiways and they're all signposted. But if if you are in the dark with some dodgey half ripped jepp chart its a different story.
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Maybe el capitano got a bit over the top waving to the plane spotters that gather in that area. As for the other crew that were in the cockpit...? Happy to take the money for the work, just don't forget to do the work.
Do you go spotting there of a night time often ABC?
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I was thinking the same thing Don
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I've neeeaarly done it.
I didn't have to brake hard but it was enough of a warning to me that I now mention it to my mate if our clearance is the same as what these guys got.
Is the reason we are tempted to sail right through because most runways there would be no option of going through?
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I've neeeaarly done it.
I didn't have to brake hard but it was enough of a warning to me that I now mention it to my mate if our clearance is the same as what these guys got.
Is the reason we are tempted to sail right through because most runways there would be no option of going through?
That taxiway has a long history of people missing B1. I can remember at least two Ansett incidents and I nearly did it myself once on a 727. I'm not sure why, but it is easy to do, it looks like the runway threshold is further down for some reason.
Recently, on a cargo run to a Pacific Island we had a load which included small-arms ammunition and marine flares. The safety security clowns confiscated a tube of toothpaste from one the crew. We were all X-rayed, bomb sniffed, covered in bright yellow vests, prodded and poked, cameras watching our every move, including on the tarmac. Shame the airport has a real safety issue and we can't even get a 10 dollar sign painted on a taxiway.
Recently, on a cargo run to a Pacific Island we had a load which included small-arms ammunition and marine flares. The safety security clowns confiscated a tube of toothpaste from one the crew. We were all X-rayed, bomb sniffed, covered in bright yellow vests, prodded and poked, cameras watching our every move, including on the tarmac. Shame the airport has a real safety issue and we can't even get a 10 dollar sign painted on a taxiway.
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Yeah, two years ago had a death on board 400nm south of Perth enroute to Brizzy.
Security would not let the ambo's in to collect the body on arrival, as they had no ASIC ID.
Over an hour later they arrived.
Just one little sign...
halas
Security would not let the ambo's in to collect the body on arrival, as they had no ASIC ID.
Over an hour later they arrived.
Just one little sign...
halas
You know why? They are fallible.
'Nev' over reliance on technology can be an issue. Those fallible humans are wired in ways the so called CRM goons have no idea about & never will.
Why does a well trained pilot whom is rested, all up to date with his/her training has an excellent past re incidents/accidents simply fly into the side of a mountain accompanied with more technology than ever b4? '..............sometimes there's just not enuf rocks'.................Forrest Gump:-)
We know very little of our brains & yet we still kill ourselves in planes like it was for free !!!!
We all make mistakes & will continue to do so, that's what PPrune is all about in some ways
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Why does a well trained pilot whom is rested, all up to date with his/her training has an excellent past re incidents/accidents simply fly into the side of a mountain accompanied with more technology than ever b4? '..............sometimes there's just not enuf rocks'.................Forrest Gump:-)
We know very little of our brains & yet we still kill ourselves in planes like it was for free !!!!
We all make mistakes & will continue to do so, that's what PPrune is all about in some ways
Wmk2
Originally Posted by Neville_Nobody
Yes humans are fallible but if you are not distracted and paying attention how do you screw up with moving a map infront of you? Yes you are probably tired, yes its a tricky taxiway, but the moving map should prevent this.
I hear she ended up taking out some taxiway edge lighting and tore up the pavement a bit. Took a bit of an effort to push it back onto B!
EK was not the first to overshoot B1 and they won't be the last.
I'm not sure why, but it is easy to do, it looks like the runway threshold is further down for some reason.
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If the story hadn't grown in the telling it wouldn't be Brisbane Airport. 
The signage was upgraded a year or so ago in an attempt to prevent over runs, but obviously it hasn't worked very well.
From the people who use it regularly, what would improve it?
The signage was upgraded a year or so ago in an attempt to prevent over runs, but obviously it hasn't worked very well.
From the people who use it regularly, what would improve it?
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A simple red sign saying "RW 19 threshold NEXT RIGHT". Our French Cousins write such signs on the taxiway itself, just like road markings. When I first saw these at CDG (Paris) I thought they were great. Not only that but fairly idiot proof and cheap. I'll even lend you a paint brush.
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what would improve it?
I know, I know, it's just statistics and the A380 is a young fleet, and blah, blah, blah. Simply wanted to make you whale-jockeys jump!
Hotspots exist at many airports. We might reconsider implementing all the electronic bs that exists, it could turn out to be counterproductive. We need the jockeys to look outside to keep the big picture, up to today it is still there where it happens, not on the fancy screens.
And being in the famous down under region, we might consider a little fewer and shorter briefings, as to keep the pilots capable to concentrate to what happens in the real world, right now and outside.
Leave the superfluous talking to Ted Cruze .....
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A simple red sign saying "RW 19 threshold NEXT RIGHT". Our French Cousins write such signs on the taxiway itself, just like road markings. When I first saw these at CDG (Paris) I thought they were great. Not only that but fairly idiot proof and cheap. I'll even lend you a paint brush.
The pavement at the entrance of D is painted with the sign MAX TOW 56 000KG (or something fairly similar) but that hasn't worked either, and nor is it visible at night. The red sign sounds good.
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