air new zealand to start ice flights
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how good is this? something different for the boys on the 76.
media release from air nz
media release from air nz
24 September 2013
Antarctica New Zealand invites Air New Zealand to provide air services to Antarctica
Antarctica New Zealand has invited Air New Zealand to assist with transporting Antarctic scientists between New Zealand and Antarctica on a charter basis.
In line with this Air New Zealand will next month operate a proving flight from Auckland to McMurdo Sound using one of its Boeing 767-300 aircraft.
Antarctica New Zealand and the United States Science Foundation co-operate to transport approximately 2,200 scientists between New Zealand and Antarctica each season.
Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully welcomed the partnership between Antarctica New Zealand and Air New Zealand. “This will fundamentally change our capability on the ice. Unlike the RNZAF 757s which currently fly to Antarctica, the Air New Zealand 767 can make a return trip without refuelling.”
Antarctica New Zealand Board Chairman, Rob Fenwick, says, “Working with Air New Zealand could provide the New Zealand and United States national Antarctic programmes with more operational flexibility.”
The charter schedule, to be confirmed on the completion of a successful proving flight, could see two more Air New Zealand services operate to and from the ice this season. Air New Zealand’s 767s do not require any modifications to operate the flights.
“Air New Zealand is a keen supporter of Antarctic research and last year formalised a $1 million partnership between Antarctica New Zealand and NZARI, the New Zealand Antarctic Research Institute.”
Other support has included:
· $100,000 grants to two Antarctic researchers to support their post doctoral studies.
· Travel for scientists and research equipment from Canada and the United Kingdom to New Zealand to join Antarctic research efforts.
· Travel for New Zealand based researchers to travel to Canada and the United States to advance international research collaboration.
· Partnering with the New Zealand Antarctic Research Institute on polar amplification research and its potential consequences.
The proving flight is scheduled to depart Auckland International Airport on October 5, 2013. It will be crewed by Air New Zealand staff and supported by Antarctica New Zealand staff.
Antarctica New Zealand invites Air New Zealand to provide air services to Antarctica
Antarctica New Zealand has invited Air New Zealand to assist with transporting Antarctic scientists between New Zealand and Antarctica on a charter basis.
In line with this Air New Zealand will next month operate a proving flight from Auckland to McMurdo Sound using one of its Boeing 767-300 aircraft.
Antarctica New Zealand and the United States Science Foundation co-operate to transport approximately 2,200 scientists between New Zealand and Antarctica each season.
Foreign Affairs Minister Murray McCully welcomed the partnership between Antarctica New Zealand and Air New Zealand. “This will fundamentally change our capability on the ice. Unlike the RNZAF 757s which currently fly to Antarctica, the Air New Zealand 767 can make a return trip without refuelling.”
Antarctica New Zealand Board Chairman, Rob Fenwick, says, “Working with Air New Zealand could provide the New Zealand and United States national Antarctic programmes with more operational flexibility.”
The charter schedule, to be confirmed on the completion of a successful proving flight, could see two more Air New Zealand services operate to and from the ice this season. Air New Zealand’s 767s do not require any modifications to operate the flights.
“Air New Zealand is a keen supporter of Antarctic research and last year formalised a $1 million partnership between Antarctica New Zealand and NZARI, the New Zealand Antarctic Research Institute.”
Other support has included:
· $100,000 grants to two Antarctic researchers to support their post doctoral studies.
· Travel for scientists and research equipment from Canada and the United Kingdom to New Zealand to join Antarctic research efforts.
· Travel for New Zealand based researchers to travel to Canada and the United States to advance international research collaboration.
· Partnering with the New Zealand Antarctic Research Institute on polar amplification research and its potential consequences.
The proving flight is scheduled to depart Auckland International Airport on October 5, 2013. It will be crewed by Air New Zealand staff and supported by Antarctica New Zealand staff.
Last edited by waren9; 24th Sep 2013 at 01:31.
Well - that's a huge reversal of viewpoint inside the Company if they go ahead.
I remember standing in Norm Thompson's office when a certain 737 flew offshore unauthorised to have a close look at an iceberg that had drifted off the coast of the South Island.
He said something to the effect of "this airline will not have anything to do with f*&king ice!"
Still a lot of painful memories for many grey heads there.
I remember standing in Norm Thompson's office when a certain 737 flew offshore unauthorised to have a close look at an iceberg that had drifted off the coast of the South Island.
He said something to the effect of "this airline will not have anything to do with f*&king ice!"
Still a lot of painful memories for many grey heads there.
It's a fairly exciting prospect, and one of the few reasons to consider a bid onto the 76. I think for many of us a trip to the ice would be one to remember. While the 767 has a dual GPS installed, does the FMC have any latitude restrictions? NZIR is at 77.51 s which is getting pretty low. Any operators out there know if it is restricted at all?
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a small, "end of the line" carrier with a population base of fark all, with a currency that doesn't buy much, having a genuine crack at just getting on with it.
spot the contrast
good luck to 'em
spot the contrast
good luck to 'em
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belowMDA It's a fairly exciting prospect, and one of the few reasons to consider a bid onto the 76. I think for many of us a trip to the ice would be one to remember.... does the FMC have any latitude restrictions? NZIR is at 77.51 s which is getting pretty low. Any operators out there know if it is restricted at all?
"..An extended 17 minute ground alignment is required between 70.2 and 78.25 degrees north and south latitudes.
In the NAV (navigation) mode the IRS will provide valid magnetic heading and track between 73 degrees north and 60 degrees south latitudes."
So heading ref switch in true below 60S as well.
Would this be the first time a wide body commercial jet has landed down there?
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Lets hope they do the sensible thing and go and have a look at it with either Skytraders or NZ Air Force both who operate airliners to there. Skytraders for quite a bit longer and with much more frequency.
No use relearning a lesson someone may have already learnt.
No use relearning a lesson someone may have already learnt.
The proving flight is scheduled to depart Auckland International Airport on October 5, 2013
There are still passengers waiting to be recovered on the DC-10. 
Recovery in doubt for remains of Canadian plane-crash victims in Antarctica - The Globe and Mail
Recovery in doubt for remains of Canadian plane-crash victims in Antarctica - The Globe and Mail
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Newforest2, yes there are still bodies and body parts entombed on Erebus from the DC 10 crash. In 2004 with weather permitting, some photos were taken from the air of NZP laying on the mountains slopes, clearly distinguishable, as if it happened yesterday. (R.I.P Collins and Cassin, you were good men, robbed of life). This is dangerous territory for any pilot to fly, let alone a first timer to the area or one that is experienced but falls victim to organisational incompetence.
I don't wish to intentionally open not what I would call old wounds, but raw wounds, as this tragedy has never been put to bed due to the plethora of inaccuracies and the most palpable cover ups to have probably ever graced the land of New Zealand, but by god ANZ have either rocks in their head, giant testicles or simply a short fractured memory if they think going back to the ice is a good idea, even if it is for charter purposes.
As for a 'proving flight', well I hope the CAA actually has an FOI skilled in those flying conditions as well as 'white out'. But I highly doubt it.
And I hope ANZ don't have the bad taste to fly there on November 28, but then again nothing would surprise me.
Tartare, I raise a glass to that.
I don't wish to intentionally open not what I would call old wounds, but raw wounds, as this tragedy has never been put to bed due to the plethora of inaccuracies and the most palpable cover ups to have probably ever graced the land of New Zealand, but by god ANZ have either rocks in their head, giant testicles or simply a short fractured memory if they think going back to the ice is a good idea, even if it is for charter purposes.
As for a 'proving flight', well I hope the CAA actually has an FOI skilled in those flying conditions as well as 'white out'. But I highly doubt it.
And I hope ANZ don't have the bad taste to fly there on November 28, but then again nothing would surprise me.
Tartare, I raise a glass to that.
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goodness me guys.
the industry has moved on. may be some on here need to as well. not as if they'll make the same mistakes again.
all power to them, i hope they make a real success of it.
the industry has moved on. may be some on here need to as well. not as if they'll make the same mistakes again.
all power to them, i hope they make a real success of it.
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As an aside to the posters concerned about Air New Zealand not having the experience to operate to Antarctica (albeit in different aircraft types), just consider the rather large number of ex RNZAF pilot's in the ranks with Antarctic experience.
There is plenty of internal and external resources available to be tapped.
There is plenty of internal and external resources available to be tapped.
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Well, if you think this is just a walk in the park operation, NZ nearly did it again yesterday. These guys and their pax were extremely lucky. Weather closed in past the PSR, couldn't get back Held for 2.5 hours till fuel became critical, if it wasn't already, and then shot an approach well past minimums.
Dodged a bullet well and truly.
If ANZ are not getting all he help they can get then the CAA have reason to worry. This is not a walk in the park and nothing like landing on a similar runway overseas as ANZ put out and also espoused by Sandilands. Elsewhere you may have any number of alternates to go to.
Have a read. This doesn't tell the whole story though and only the good parts. This was a very very serious situation. Crew did a great job.
McCully in Antarctic emergency landing - Story - NZ News - 3 News
Dodged a bullet well and truly.
If ANZ are not getting all he help they can get then the CAA have reason to worry. This is not a walk in the park and nothing like landing on a similar runway overseas as ANZ put out and also espoused by Sandilands. Elsewhere you may have any number of alternates to go to.
Have a read. This doesn't tell the whole story though and only the good parts. This was a very very serious situation. Crew did a great job.
McCully in Antarctic emergency landing - Story - NZ News - 3 News
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