When is the next cull at QF Engineering?
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Anyway, back to reality-
So in a few days, on the 15th, each section is going to identify a "target group" that are going to meet with HR and their manager to discuss options next week. Are there still jobs in PER? I'm told there's still blokes in BNE Line awaiting a package. Anyone have numbers? Word is, once you've been told you're at risk you will be taken off shift and report to the transition centre until your fate is known.
It's going to get complicated for them when it comes to the SIT blokes who would rather take a package than transfer. It won't just be a matter of taking a bloke off the redundancy list and sending him to SAM in his place. They are after particular licences to go to SAM (738 and 380 I'm told) so there will be flow on effects to others.
They are adamant they want this done by the end of the financial year. The pressure is coming from the top of the airline this time. It's much more than the hate campaign we're all accustomed to from within engineering senior management. Any grievances will be dealt with after the fact and I don't hold high hopes.
All the best to others at risk of the sack or unwanted transfer. The next six weeks is going to be a wild ride for some.
So in a few days, on the 15th, each section is going to identify a "target group" that are going to meet with HR and their manager to discuss options next week. Are there still jobs in PER? I'm told there's still blokes in BNE Line awaiting a package. Anyone have numbers? Word is, once you've been told you're at risk you will be taken off shift and report to the transition centre until your fate is known.
It's going to get complicated for them when it comes to the SIT blokes who would rather take a package than transfer. It won't just be a matter of taking a bloke off the redundancy list and sending him to SAM in his place. They are after particular licences to go to SAM (738 and 380 I'm told) so there will be flow on effects to others.
They are adamant they want this done by the end of the financial year. The pressure is coming from the top of the airline this time. It's much more than the hate campaign we're all accustomed to from within engineering senior management. Any grievances will be dealt with after the fact and I don't hold high hopes.
All the best to others at risk of the sack or unwanted transfer. The next six weeks is going to be a wild ride for some.
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So in a few days, on the 15th, each section is going to identify a "target group" that are going to meet with HR and their manager to discuss options next week.
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So CoolB1Banana, you reckon those in SAM who are in the target group should be notified today as to their demise. I wonder if Texas Tony himself is going to front the leadership feedback meeting or his he going to leave it to his minions.
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I actually said that it would be next week that I expected people to be notified Bungeye. Best of luck if you are a anxious Legacy LAME like me. They are going to lose some great people unfortunately.
There certainly was a lot of managers milling around yesterday morning. It is coming to the crunch!
There certainly was a lot of managers milling around yesterday morning. It is coming to the crunch!
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Next week has almost come and gone CoolB. Though I am thankful that your prediction has not eventuated, yet!
Looks like your your "friendly ops manager" (oxymoron) is about as reliable as the guy who runs the joint.
No understanding, No direction, No idea!
Looks like your your "friendly ops manager" (oxymoron) is about as reliable as the guy who runs the joint.
No understanding, No direction, No idea!
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Yes KW III , it looks pretty ominous , ops managers at the SIT disappearing for most of the day , I guess at meetings with their superiors . You can just about sense that something bad is about to happen . The nervous tension in the smoko room is becoming apparent .
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Why don't you all stop looking for trouble, the only tone I get is the ALAEA wants you ALL to lodge your grievance early,So they know what issues will arise. As for all the scare mongering don't you think the guys have had enough, 
off and upset someone who does not work on critical systems, these people have enough on there plate 
off and upset someone who does not work on critical systems, these people have enough on there plate
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Sorry guys I had Gary in the office write and issue the notice today, please disregard the "end is nigh" tone of the notice. We met with our friends today and we are systematically working through the issues we have raised in the table I sent you all last week. The next meeting is scheduled for next Thu.
At this stage we have a stack of outstanding questions that Qantas want answered by the CFO. He was to meet us this week but had to withdraw from the meeting. We think it will be re-scheduled for two weeks time.
As for Ops managers running around all flustered and excited, what else would you expect. Some of them are just seeing an aircraft up close for the first ever time.
So if you have any personal concerns with the proposed matrix that they may or may not use, please let us know early so individual grievances can be prepared with ample time. It may be that you have been overlooked for training, never had an opportunity to get a Cat 4 drivers licence or are too fat to have tank entry. Anything at all that you feel puts you at a disadvantage unfairly.
At this stage we have a stack of outstanding questions that Qantas want answered by the CFO. He was to meet us this week but had to withdraw from the meeting. We think it will be re-scheduled for two weeks time.
As for Ops managers running around all flustered and excited, what else would you expect. Some of them are just seeing an aircraft up close for the first ever time.
So if you have any personal concerns with the proposed matrix that they may or may not use, please let us know early so individual grievances can be prepared with ample time. It may be that you have been overlooked for training, never had an opportunity to get a Cat 4 drivers licence or are too fat to have tank entry. Anything at all that you feel puts you at a disadvantage unfairly.
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So if you have any personal concerns with the proposed matrix that they may or may not use,
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Interesting discussion at meeting yesterday with a Qantas bean counter.
Bean counter - "first I need to explain to you what a balance sheet is".
ALAEA - "No I think we need to explain to you what it is, in the last two years the ALAEA has made more profit than Qantas".
Bean counter - "first I need to explain to you what a balance sheet is".
ALAEA - "No I think we need to explain to you what it is, in the last two years the ALAEA has made more profit than Qantas".
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I heard today it's 800 points for SAM B1 and 500 for CE. If you've got less points than that, consider yourself notified. You would hope they don't expect the guys that now know they are on death row to continue working in a safety sensitive workplace. Aren't managers supposed to sit Human Factors training too? They just took on a MASSIVE liability if so!
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Criteria Matrix
Hot Off The Press (from my "friendly ops manager")
QE have just worked out that utilizing different matrix for each section, differentiating between mechanical and avionic, incorporating 1/2 points for some things and hundreds of points for other things, still doesn't save all of their favourites. Back to the drawing board!
QE are in the process of preparing a new criteria matrix for each individual crew. They think this criteria will give them the "flexibility" they want!
QE have just worked out that utilizing different matrix for each section, differentiating between mechanical and avionic, incorporating 1/2 points for some things and hundreds of points for other things, still doesn't save all of their favourites. Back to the drawing board!
QE are in the process of preparing a new criteria matrix for each individual crew. They think this criteria will give them the "flexibility" they want!
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If it’s true that Q Management want all this wrapped up by the 30th of June, then I see the chances of “Millet’s” post very slim to none chance of happening. If Management want to save some of the ‘boyz’ then unfortunately they will need to impose collateral damage to their ‘favourites’.
Fed Sec, can we get clarity on the criteria points, it seems the points keep changing to ‘save’ those who save the company money and have no Q type on their licence.
I find it hard to digest that anyone with <800 will be culled, that equates to more bodies than what has been quoted for redundancy, does this mean another round is eminent once the fleet retirement is accomplished?
Fed Sec, can we get clarity on the criteria points, it seems the points keep changing to ‘save’ those who save the company money and have no Q type on their licence.
I find it hard to digest that anyone with <800 will be culled, that equates to more bodies than what has been quoted for redundancy, does this mean another round is eminent once the fleet retirement is accomplished?
