When is the next cull at QF Engineering?
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There were plenty who wanted to relocate but QANTAS have only offered 2 positions in Brisbane (only 5 were interviewed for these 2 positions if you had 767) and offers were only given to a few in Perth if you had a 737 NG type rating. As most at Avalon had 747 or 767 this has excluded most of them, and all were told there are no positions at any other port. Most are being made redundant with no opportunity to redeploy even if they wanted too. !
There were plenty who wanted to relocate but QANTAS have only offered 2 positions in Brisbane (only 5 were interviewed for these 2 positions if you had 767) and offers were only given to a few in Perth if you had a 737 NG type rating. As most at Avalon had 747 or 767 this has excluded most of them, and all were told there are no positions at any other port. Most are being made redundant with no opportunity to redeploy even if they wanted too. !
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Silverado CoolB1Banana, your the only one who has said there was to be a meeting? Was there a meeting even held?
Of the 50 EOIs that have apparently gone in, does anyone have a section or even port breakdown ? Is that 50 LAMEs or does that number include AMEs?
And the 15 jobs available in PER, aren't 5 of those AME positions?
More feedback please.
I have to agree with Romulus's observations regarding redundancy, they match my experience.
The movie was "up in the air", it was very painful for me to watch, having sat on both sides of the desk.
The narcissists among Qantas management, and there appear to be plenty, would terminate people with an absolutely straight face because they can't empathise with humans.
This is at the core of Qantas's problem: you cannot create and deliver a first class value for money proposition for customers that involves providing terrific customer service as part of the experience if your managers are narcissists. They will always fall short.
The movie was "up in the air", it was very painful for me to watch, having sat on both sides of the desk.
The narcissists among Qantas management, and there appear to be plenty, would terminate people with an absolutely straight face because they can't empathise with humans.
This is at the core of Qantas's problem: you cannot create and deliver a first class value for money proposition for customers that involves providing terrific customer service as part of the experience if your managers are narcissists. They will always fall short.
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
I have to agree with Romulus's observations regarding redundancy, they match my experience.
The movie was "up in the air", it was very painful for me to watch, having sat on both sides of the desk.
The movie was "up in the air", it was very painful for me to watch, having sat on both sides of the desk.
Last time I was made redundant my then boss kept telling me how jealous he was that it wasn't him getting all the free time. I let it slide a couple of times until ultimately I just said "well, I'm more than qualified to do your job so let's swap seats".
The "exit interview" concluded very shortly after that.
Redundancy is what it is. It is not going to change. So be professional and treat people with courtesy and respect and understand that they will most likely be more upset than you, and that is presuming you're a decent human being who doesn't get a kick out of the power trip.
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Few years all these contracting company was advertising guys with 457 visa.now all made redundant.what a joke.AJ in senate inquiry that they are only doing A380 work offshore ,what about 747 and jetstar work.
,,,,,and when Putin marches off into the Ukraine next month, China sides with Russia and we side with America...
How smart will outsourcing to offshore businesses look then?
Qantas was a "strategic asset" to Australia, as was Ansett because they had capabilities in the field of aviation maintenance and overhaul at component level that now don't exist and will cost billions and take time to re-establish. This is 1939 all over again.
How smart will outsourcing to offshore businesses look then?
Qantas was a "strategic asset" to Australia, as was Ansett because they had capabilities in the field of aviation maintenance and overhaul at component level that now don't exist and will cost billions and take time to re-establish. This is 1939 all over again.
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This is 1939 all over again.
Really? That's drawing a long bow.
Yes, it IS a strategic asset, but not exactly 1939.
If it all turns pear shaped for the Ukraine and the West becomes seriously involved, I am not sure that the effect will be a problem for any outsourcing.
The locations where outsourcing is being carried out is far and away from the Ukraine, or have I overlooked something?
Travel in the region WILL be affected, but unless things escalate, it's hard to see your view.
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Can you take all the WW3 crap somewhere else please.
I'm sure most people read this thread in an attempt to get some info about them losing their jobs or not.
Especially when we seem to be getting more feedback from the company than our own union.
I'm sure most people read this thread in an attempt to get some info about them losing their jobs or not.
Especially when we seem to be getting more feedback from the company than our own union.
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Why do you need to go to the website when emails have been sent to members? Looks like you've inadvertently answered the question asked of you many times Jethro.
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Latest union notice
We had a further meeting today with Qantas to discuss recent announcements that will most likely lead to redundancies. We made it clear that we did not want to discuss any selection criteria that could apply should compulsory redundancies be needed. We requested that Qantas not release any criteria or drive any speculation on how CR could be selected.
For us the most important goal is to ensure that there are no forced redundancies. In order for that to occur there is a requirement for Qantas to take steps to obviate (avoid) this need or mitigate (reduce) the effect of any redundancy program. The primary method to do this is for people to select transfers to locations where there are jobs. We are concerned that a known criteria may reduce the pool of people who are prepared to move and force others out the door.
Discussions today about selection processes would also send a message that CR is unavoidable and consume valuable time arguing about something we are trying to avoid. If CR becomes inevitable we will debate Qantas about it at that point in time.
We have advised Qantas that they can release any employee who has requested to leave voluntarily at their leisure. We have also told them they can commence the process to move those persons who have selected a move to one of the three ports where jobs are available as a first preference now. EOIs at this stage are planned to end on 2nd April 2014, members who would like to change their selected preference can do so up until that date.
At this stage there are 10 LAME vacancies in Perth, 7 in Brisbane LMO, 2 in Brisbane Base and 3 in Darwin. There are also still 17 LAMEs from Avalon seeking employment somewhere within the system who add to the 175 announced during this round (total 192). VRs to date number 56 plus an outstanding number of 17 from an earlier Avalon EOI process (total 73). A breakdown per section is as follows –
Mel Line - 58 to go, 28 VRs, outstanding 30.
Adl Line – 13 to go, 5 VRs, outstanding 8.
Bne Line – 12 to go, 19 VRs, 7 vacancies.
CE Syd – 9 to go, 1 VR, outstanding 8.
SDT – 24 to go, 2 VR, 22 outstanding.
SAM Syd – 34 to go, 9 VRs, 25 outstanding.
Per Line – none to go, 10 vacancies.
Drw Line – none to go, 3 vacancies.
Bne Base – none to go, 2 vacancies.
SIT – 25 to go, no VRs, 25 outstanding.
For us the most important goal is to ensure that there are no forced redundancies. In order for that to occur there is a requirement for Qantas to take steps to obviate (avoid) this need or mitigate (reduce) the effect of any redundancy program. The primary method to do this is for people to select transfers to locations where there are jobs. We are concerned that a known criteria may reduce the pool of people who are prepared to move and force others out the door.
Discussions today about selection processes would also send a message that CR is unavoidable and consume valuable time arguing about something we are trying to avoid. If CR becomes inevitable we will debate Qantas about it at that point in time.
We have advised Qantas that they can release any employee who has requested to leave voluntarily at their leisure. We have also told them they can commence the process to move those persons who have selected a move to one of the three ports where jobs are available as a first preference now. EOIs at this stage are planned to end on 2nd April 2014, members who would like to change their selected preference can do so up until that date.
At this stage there are 10 LAME vacancies in Perth, 7 in Brisbane LMO, 2 in Brisbane Base and 3 in Darwin. There are also still 17 LAMEs from Avalon seeking employment somewhere within the system who add to the 175 announced during this round (total 192). VRs to date number 56 plus an outstanding number of 17 from an earlier Avalon EOI process (total 73). A breakdown per section is as follows –
Mel Line - 58 to go, 28 VRs, outstanding 30.
Adl Line – 13 to go, 5 VRs, outstanding 8.
Bne Line – 12 to go, 19 VRs, 7 vacancies.
CE Syd – 9 to go, 1 VR, outstanding 8.
SDT – 24 to go, 2 VR, 22 outstanding.
SAM Syd – 34 to go, 9 VRs, 25 outstanding.
Per Line – none to go, 10 vacancies.
Drw Line – none to go, 3 vacancies.
Bne Base – none to go, 2 vacancies.
SIT – 25 to go, no VRs, 25 outstanding.
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No problem, nor dislike Krispy. We are all just pawns in this game after all. Merely commenting on the lack of interest in VR from the terminals, particularly International.
I'm surprised no one is ready to pull the pin, especially some of the older guys. I'm sure you will agree that the possibility of night shifts and a different style of work may affect that decision.
Chill out.
I'm surprised no one is ready to pull the pin, especially some of the older guys. I'm sure you will agree that the possibility of night shifts and a different style of work may affect that decision.
Chill out.
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Why would anyone pull the pin regardless of where they work?
most are passionate about what they do and don't want to leave.
Coolb1 sounds as if you're so worried about a terminal guy taking your spot,as you said
CHILL
most are passionate about what they do and don't want to leave.
Coolb1 sounds as if you're so worried about a terminal guy taking your spot,as you said
CHILL