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Old 7th May 2014, 11:26
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So when the senate changes soon do you see the palmer/independants backing a change in redundancies laws?
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Old 8th May 2014, 23:27
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No I certainly can't see the Coalition getting Palmer (and his 4 man Senate team), Nick X or John M supporting changes to redundancy payouts.
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We gave a presentation to the company yesterday. Thought I would post it here for further discussion.


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Old 10th May 2014, 00:50
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IF this came in how many jobs would it save,
will it be for 12 months or on going ,
what happens if i get called in on o/t on a rostered annual leave day.
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Old 10th May 2014, 02:24
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I didn't think you could do overtime on an annual leave day. If there was a regular need to find extra staff because there was too much work, they could just cancel the program. If they sack the blokes and there is nobody to call back, they have no alternatives.


Variants of this program would run constantly. The ones in this presentation generally consume about 4 weeks of annual leave to run and would, subject to who is transferring to Perth or Bne, mean that nobody would get CR.


By burning an extra 4 weeks each year, most sections could run at those staffing levels for about 10 years before all leave was consumed. By then half the blokes would have retired anyway so as each person retires, the need to burn leave reduces. Remember the average age now is about 53.
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Old 10th May 2014, 04:11
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Yeah about 5 minutes.


Company will just make up and excuse to avoid legal obligations. They are expert liars.
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Old 10th May 2014, 12:50
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How do the above suggestions help QF employees who've been in the company, say, less than 10 years? I'm not sure they'd take too kindly to being told when to take 4 of their 5 weeks of annual leave each year and, with less time in the company than the 20/30/40 year men, they may not have the leave balance to burn 9 weeks of A/L per year.

How do the above suggestions affect AMEs in line maintenance?
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Old 10th May 2014, 13:40
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The answer is simple.Apply for the redundancy.Steves plan is a save as many YOUNG engineers as possible.Engineers with 20/30/40 years will probably not be tapped on the shoulder.
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The last version I saw of the company's plan had a 20% weighting for years of service. Under that version you mightn't need to worry about taking annual leave at all. (Though one would hope not).

"How do the above suggestions affect AMEs in line maintenance?"

Although many AMEs would like to represented by the ALAEA, they are unable. Unfortunately, with some of the deals the AME unions are cutting with Qantas (Cat A licences, matrix criteria), there seems to be a flurry of activity leading up to June 30. The options put forward by the Fed Sec might not have any affect on many AMEs.
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Old 10th May 2014, 21:13
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Worried about the company allocating 4 of your 5 weeks annual leave (which they can do anyway)? The other option is that they could allocate 52 weeks each year for you and if you think you are safe, consider the other poor bastard who will be put out of work and stop being so bloody selfish.


I'm not sure how many AMEs still need to go but I would think they could apply similar principles to their rosters. The additional work that we are finding that the company have conveniently forgotten to put in their graphs equally applies to AMEs and LAMEs.
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stop being so bloody selfish
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Should I stay or should I go.

I heard from a colleague of mine that , if your a Lame , say at the SIT and your'e told that you are going to Sam you cannot put your hand up for redundancy because your job has been transferred to Sam ?


A lot of guys are in a dilemma not sure what to do ? I guess a descision has to be made before 15 May to take redundancy or not .


Looks like things are starting to happen with maintenance & towing being transferred to Sam in the next 2 weeks .
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If you were told you are moving and would rather a package, send an email to your manager and copy the ALAEA in so we know about it. The company can't forcibly make people leave if others are prepared to go no matter how late the application is in. The only exception would be if your licences were completely mismatched with the person who's job you were saving. eg B1 and B2.


The company have a right to change your section though. I was moved against my wishes from SIT in 92 to heavy.
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Old 12th May 2014, 00:51
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Why is it so bad going back to SAM? It is with an attitude like that, that makes the guys in SAM say F**K YOU!
Without wishing to reopen old wounds, if we had all stayed together we may not have this separatist attitude.
Unfortunately a group of core base guys were just as much to blame as the SIT guys.
What goes around comes around.
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At the end of the day it's personal preference and perhaps familiarity. For many it may be just not wanting to do nightshift, for the others it may well be the type of work.

You can't blame someone for wanting to stick with what they know.
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Worried about the company allocating 4 of your 5 weeks annual leave (which they can do anyway)? The other option is that they could allocate 52 weeks each year for you and if you think you are safe, consider the other poor bastard who will be put out of work and stop being so bloody selfish.
Oh don't worry, I don't work for Qantas any more, so my job is quite safe. I was asking out of interest as the information seemed to be running on the assumption that everyone in QF has plenty of leave to burn.

Overall, I think you've hit the nail on the head, Steve, with the workload and such at Qantas. I hope you can save a good number of jobs and hopefully the other unions come to the party to help save what are effectively the ALAEA's future membership.
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Old 12th May 2014, 12:59
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Thnx for supporting the guys Emergency. Leave balances are still large in all departments with average balances over 6 months. Indicates a long term problem with people actually getting time off work due to staff shortages. Sure many elect to build their leave but this just supplies additional labour to the company as an alternative to employing the correct number of staff in the first place.
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