Stop Pilot Skills going on the Shortage list. Your help required.
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CAPT? DAVID MORGAN
Capt B@lls to the wall Morgan, is again spouting the proverbial bulls sh!t.
He is in an un touchable position so can make whatever policy he likes.
I can remember the days when he flew Cessna 172 to and from NZKE, and he told me that the pilots of big airplanes used two hands on the wheel when on approach.He knew I was a DC10 driver at the time but he was like the Dali pilot.
" You thinka I know F@## nothing ,but I know f@## all."
He is in an un touchable position so can make whatever policy he likes.
I can remember the days when he flew Cessna 172 to and from NZKE, and he told me that the pilots of big airplanes used two hands on the wheel when on approach.He knew I was a DC10 driver at the time but he was like the Dali pilot.
" You thinka I know F@## nothing ,but I know f@## all."
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Welcome to the wonderful world of aviation Tui12.
That specimen Irene King being interviewed on the idiot box last night - absolute gobbledy gook - her tongue was flapping but no words were coming out.
That specimen Irene King being interviewed on the idiot box last night - absolute gobbledy gook - her tongue was flapping but no words were coming out.
If you look at this long term ( say over 30 years) it's got the potential to completely stuff the career for Kiwi's. once it is on the list it will effect pay rates and progression, because of that less people will fork out the 80k or so to become qualified and it will stay on the list due to an actual shortage of Kiwi pilots eventually.
That's great for Air NZ, bad for New Zealanders.Alpa and GAA are doing the right thing by objecting strongly IMO.
That's great for Air NZ, bad for New Zealanders.Alpa and GAA are doing the right thing by objecting strongly IMO.
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That Irene King is a cynical nasty piece of work isn't she ... a government declared "pilot shortage" is marketing gold for the CPL sausage factory schools she represents, you can't buy that publicity. She of all people should know the truth about the state of aviation in NZ.
Me, 9000 total, 5000 airbus, I'd be home from the sandpit faster than a rat up a drainpipe if Air NZ had anything better to offer than the prospect of 10 years in the jumpseat / 15 years in the RHS.
Seriously, and I know that hell will freeze over before it happens, but if they are actually worried about a pilot shortage and don't want to pillage the links, why the hell don't they hire GA guys straight to the SO position and steal a bunch of Virgin / Jetstar FO's plus some overseas expats for the RHS?
How long must the ALPA guys worship blindly at the altar of "seniority" when the management is pulling dirty tricks like this one, which ultimately undermines the entire industry not just Air NZ?
And another thing IF this goes ahead it won't just be Air NZ who are affected, you can bet your bottom dollar that jetstar / pac bro / jetconnect will be snowed under with cv's from every pilot in the third world overnight
Me, 9000 total, 5000 airbus, I'd be home from the sandpit faster than a rat up a drainpipe if Air NZ had anything better to offer than the prospect of 10 years in the jumpseat / 15 years in the RHS.
Seriously, and I know that hell will freeze over before it happens, but if they are actually worried about a pilot shortage and don't want to pillage the links, why the hell don't they hire GA guys straight to the SO position and steal a bunch of Virgin / Jetstar FO's plus some overseas expats for the RHS?
How long must the ALPA guys worship blindly at the altar of "seniority" when the management is pulling dirty tricks like this one, which ultimately undermines the entire industry not just Air NZ?
And another thing IF this goes ahead it won't just be Air NZ who are affected, you can bet your bottom dollar that jetstar / pac bro / jetconnect will be snowed under with cv's from every pilot in the third world overnight
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Apparently some ANZ execs have been seen around SYD looking at starting up an Aussie based ANZ subsidiary called KIWICONNECT. It will use Aussie pilots which are falling over themselves to get a jet job after years in the regionals. There is even talk of using cadets. The aircraft will be painted in ANZ livery and crew will wear the ANZ uniform. The operation will be controlled from Auckland using carrier pigeons and SSB HF. A source close to the HR consultants were seen talking with a pilot recruitment agency called Rushworth Newmeadow about possible industrial leverage that could be gained by wedging the pilot community in New Zealand.
Seriously dont let the HR consultants con the public like they did here otherwise it will be yet another layer of angst for no real gain except some ******'s KPIs.
Seriously dont let the HR consultants con the public like they did here otherwise it will be yet another layer of angst for no real gain except some ******'s KPIs.
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Please people no personal attacks on named individuals.
I understand the sentiment but please channel that anger into a submission to the Government Department.
Keep the examples coming in of what you know, not been called etc etc.
I didn't think this would gain as much ground as it has, nevermind the TV news.
The way things are going if Pilot Skills still makes it to the Shortage List then all hell is going to break loose.
I understand the sentiment but please channel that anger into a submission to the Government Department.
Keep the examples coming in of what you know, not been called etc etc.
I didn't think this would gain as much ground as it has, nevermind the TV news.
The way things are going if Pilot Skills still makes it to the Shortage List then all hell is going to break loose.
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There is no pilot skill shortage, Govt says - National News | TVNZ
For what it's worth the government does not buy into the shortage thing as a result of their prelim findings. Hope it sticks
For what it's worth the government does not buy into the shortage thing as a result of their prelim findings. Hope it sticks
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Yes SUJ lets hope it sticks. Let's hope the 'preliminary' statement is not meant to just pacify the masses.
The decision on the Skills Shortage List is made in December.
Tonights TV News Item
The AIA is becoming a hindrance to the pilot profession.
Their complete and utter focus is on the cash cow of the student loans. STUDENT LOANS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM!!
The Government capped it for pilots for the simple reason Pilots were not getting jobs and then defaulting on large loans, just as Steven Joyce has said.
Please do not get on this bandwagon people.
The decision on the Skills Shortage List is made in December.
Tonights TV News Item
The AIA is becoming a hindrance to the pilot profession.
Their complete and utter focus is on the cash cow of the student loans. STUDENT LOANS ARE NOT THE PROBLEM!!
The Government capped it for pilots for the simple reason Pilots were not getting jobs and then defaulting on large loans, just as Steven Joyce has said.
Please do not get on this bandwagon people.
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Not sure how they can say that there are no kiwi's meeting their requirements?
The problem is never them as far as they are concerned.
Air NZ needs to look inward at how they recruit, not outward.
NZALPA should publicly call on Air Nz to release the numbers of qualified pilots who they have not invited to an interview that have applied over the last three years while the media attention is still hot.
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Sorry Framer, but I think we are gonna see some bogus numbers with that. IMO, if someone did a poll instead and with good evidence and supplied it to the media, that would give a more realistic figures.
captsf - your experience level is exactly what they are looking for. In fact ANZ has already mostly taken your experience level out of the Links and have moved on to line captains.
Do the survey but also make a submission. This is directly impacting pilots such as yourself.
Do the survey but also make a submission. This is directly impacting pilots such as yourself.
Did 10 years in Air NZ regional on two different types and with well over 8000 hours got the you need to go do UE or a Uni paper and we may interview you. Never mind the fact I had 10 years in the company with no failed exams or checks. Left NZ and have never looked back.
The rest of the world isn't as wrapped up in this UE requirement, when you have hours and experience its all that counts. Perhaps if Air NZ looked after those in the regionals (regardless of what you say they don't) and gave them career progression into the jets they would have zero problems.
"edited to keep thread on track"
The rest of the world isn't as wrapped up in this UE requirement, when you have hours and experience its all that counts. Perhaps if Air NZ looked after those in the regionals (regardless of what you say they don't) and gave them career progression into the jets they would have zero problems.
"edited to keep thread on track"
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That's not the solution BOOM. If they give progression it just moves their problem further down the chain.
At the end of the day they are just trying to create Industrial Relations leverage so that they can keep wages low.
If this goes through there will be zero bargaining power for the main pilot group within a few short years. In addition, commands will dry up. NZ isn't the first country to go down this track.
At the end of the day they are just trying to create Industrial Relations leverage so that they can keep wages low.
If this goes through there will be zero bargaining power for the main pilot group within a few short years. In addition, commands will dry up. NZ isn't the first country to go down this track.
Well it does and doesn't solve their problem Framer. Look after those you employ from day one and that experience stays. They don't head off to OZ, Europe or the sandpit, or even worse they leave the group to go to the other NZ operators (worse because they lose experience they effectively paid for to the competition).
Eagle is a good training ground where low hour GA guys and girls can start and get a solid fountain before moving through the other regionals and on to the back seat of a heavy.
The UE requirement is simply an HR tool to weed people out, problem is a lot of those people are significantly more competent than those who do have UE. So you might see where I'm going with this, fixed the flawed application and interview process and you get more people through the doors. It all starts at the ground level.
Eagle is a good training ground where low hour GA guys and girls can start and get a solid fountain before moving through the other regionals and on to the back seat of a heavy.
The UE requirement is simply an HR tool to weed people out, problem is a lot of those people are significantly more competent than those who do have UE. So you might see where I'm going with this, fixed the flawed application and interview process and you get more people through the doors. It all starts at the ground level.
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Looks like they have found a short term solution to getting a few more pilots directly into the jet op.
Multiple Jetstar NZ pilots getting the call up to start ASAP. Some are ex link but others have never been employed in the "group".
These are not any of the guys that sat on yes letters for years but rather newer applications.
Makes a mockery of the "recruit to group" scenario. If you are in the links just do 6 months with Jetstar NZ then you will get the call up ASAP.....
Don't believe anything HR tell you....
Multiple Jetstar NZ pilots getting the call up to start ASAP. Some are ex link but others have never been employed in the "group".
These are not any of the guys that sat on yes letters for years but rather newer applications.
Makes a mockery of the "recruit to group" scenario. If you are in the links just do 6 months with Jetstar NZ then you will get the call up ASAP.....
Don't believe anything HR tell you....
A lot of these ex-Link people were really competitive candidates for Air NZ mainline, it's just they didn't hire for so long they ended up taking the Jetstar NZ option.
Most would have been first cabs off the rank into the Air NZ jet operation if they hadn't been picked up by Jetstar, so being hired now isn't so strange.
Most would have been first cabs off the rank into the Air NZ jet operation if they hadn't been picked up by Jetstar, so being hired now isn't so strange.
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