Qantas' - senior executives face scrutiny
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Qantas has recently become consistently cheapest (and by cheaper, I'm talking cheaper than Qatar et al) for my regular trips home. Not only that, the flights are nowhere near full (last flight was about 40% on an A380). Not many up front, either.
You don't have to be blind freddy to realise they can't continue like that. I'm becoming nervous about forward booking- I can't believe I'm saying that about QF int.
You don't have to be blind freddy to realise they can't continue like that. I'm becoming nervous about forward booking- I can't believe I'm saying that about QF int.
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I heard Hickey had the ****s with the potential reversal of the decision to transfer the 767 to the Domestic business unit.
One AOC with the 767 under Strambie and reporting to the Domestic Chief Pilot.
Load his International business up with the surplus crew as the 767 retires, whilst it contributes to the Domestic profit centre.
It's quite amazing with the stroke of a pen you can decide where costs are allocated and profit is generated. Oh.......that's right. It's been happening for close to 10 years.
One AOC with the 767 under Strambie and reporting to the Domestic Chief Pilot.
Load his International business up with the surplus crew as the 767 retires, whilst it contributes to the Domestic profit centre.
It's quite amazing with the stroke of a pen you can decide where costs are allocated and profit is generated. Oh.......that's right. It's been happening for close to 10 years.
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Dunno when youve been travelling ferris but aside from a few skinny flights after the change to dxb its been ~500 pob to lhr and back from my obs
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I can only go by my experience (the DXB- oz legs).
Look up expedia etc. and search DXB to say, MEL on any particular date over the next few months. QF comes up cheapest- by a long way. That, combined with economy pax stretching out over 4 seats, can't be good. I follow Peter Lynch in that regard..."invest in what you know".
Look up expedia etc. and search DXB to say, MEL on any particular date over the next few months. QF comes up cheapest- by a long way. That, combined with economy pax stretching out over 4 seats, can't be good. I follow Peter Lynch in that regard..."invest in what you know".
Ferris, you are dreaming. From the flights I have done, loads are good via DXB. Like wise we left 40 Staff behind in LAX the other day.
Still think Dubai is not a good stop over, Singapore was much better from a final leg flight time & body clock adjusting in Singas slip. Passengers have also remarked likewise.
Qantas service, though much maligned is also far far better than EK from my personal experience.
In fact I felt much more secure about my QF job when I last flew EK.
Still think Dubai is not a good stop over, Singapore was much better from a final leg flight time & body clock adjusting in Singas slip. Passengers have also remarked likewise.
Qantas service, though much maligned is also far far better than EK from my personal experience.
In fact I felt much more secure about my QF job when I last flew EK.
Not disputing you ferris, just curious. My flights have been chockas but it has been the june/july period when we need to be full. Ive been at work too much so ive noticed 
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I wouldn't be surprised if Mr Joyce decided to shut down QF International now that it's separate from Domestic. He has done it before.
Shut it down then just use Jetstar as the international and domestic carrier for the leisure market, Emirates the premium one and QF domestic for the domestic premium.
Keep what assets he wants then cut the rest loose, just like ANZ.
If QF drivers want a job they can fly their old A330s on the new Jetstar contract.
Goodbye to all the 767 and 744 drivers who he doesn't need as well as all the surplus international flight attendants.
That sounds like a plan he would use and I am sure he has learnt a bit from his Ansett days.
Shut it down then just use Jetstar as the international and domestic carrier for the leisure market, Emirates the premium one and QF domestic for the domestic premium.
Keep what assets he wants then cut the rest loose, just like ANZ.
If QF drivers want a job they can fly their old A330s on the new Jetstar contract.
Goodbye to all the 767 and 744 drivers who he doesn't need as well as all the surplus international flight attendants.
That sounds like a plan he would use and I am sure he has learnt a bit from his Ansett days.
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If he does, he'll need a team of bodyguards!
Chris Corrigan is still alive & well today, free to dine Caviar, rock oysters and the finest Champagne, if he so desires, because he can certainly afford it, so it will be for Alan.
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If he does, he'll need a team of bodyguards!
I thought Olivia was already waiting to take over his job once he takes the golden handshake anyway?
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Hysterical?
Angry
So, which is it? Is QF Int actually profitable, and they are 'magicing' the money away, or is International really the millstone the "Group" says it is? If it's the latter, then what do you think Joyce should do, for the good of the "Group"?
I'm looking at the fine print, and I can't see that anywhere. If Int. is split off as a separate entity, what liability does the "Group" hold? What makes you think EK has the capacity to do that anyway? A FAR more likely scenario, in my view, is that all QF tickets would be converted into EK ones, and QF leases the fleet to EK until EK fills the (small) void. (Helloooooo contracts).
Look, I certainly don't wish any ill will, but I think some here need to pick up a copy of "Who moved my cheese?".
I was only yesterday reading an article about the how high AUD has caused a record amount of overseas travel, and that that is over. How much did QF grow their international business during that boom, and how does it look going forward into a decline? Disgusting mismanagement, really.
The QANTAS group is more than financial
if god forbid, QF Int. was to be shut down then your ticket would be rolled onto an Emirates flight.
Look, I certainly don't wish any ill will, but I think some here need to pick up a copy of "Who moved my cheese?".
I was only yesterday reading an article about the how high AUD has caused a record amount of overseas travel, and that that is over. How much did QF grow their international business during that boom, and how does it look going forward into a decline? Disgusting mismanagement, really.
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I think some here need to pick up a copy of "Who moved my cheese?"
The likes of the board and its management group move the cheese, they eat the lot along the way, and only leave ratsack behind.
Nunc est bibendum
I wouldn't be surprised if Mr Joyce decided to shut down QF International now that it's separate from Domestic. He has done it before.
What he can do is sell of domestic but if I'm a Qantas shareholder would I want an under performing international airline and no domestic traffic to feed it? He can sell of Jetstar if he wants but can't see him doing that.
After the talk of earlier this year of things 'turning around', I can't see him walking away from international and handing it all to EK. No, I suspect that it will be something about replacing Simon Hickey or new aeroplanes, or new routes, or something else to do with the AMAAAAZINNNG turnaround that he and his exec are responsible for.
Or perhaps after a bunch of years in the job he's ready to give it away and we're going to get a new CEO?
. The rumour is 10 new A330's (as well as the J* returns)
That's either new routes for international or a hell of a lot more capacity domestic.
That's either new routes for international or a hell of a lot more capacity domestic.