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Old 17th Sep 2013, 21:04
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Here's a starting point: PianoX B787 vs 767-300ERW & Boeing 787 update and CO2 emissions perspective.

Originally Posted by PianoX
For a typical mission carrying 22 metric tonnes over 5000 nm (roughly HND-FRA), the block fuel burn of the B787-8 is calculated to be 50.1 tonnes. This compares to 50.7 tonnes for the B767-300ERW based on nominal performance (no in-service deterioration) and common reserve-rule assumptions that can be accessed via the models. Plots of fuel burn as a function of distance and payload are given below at the same transparent conditions.

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Aeropelican - the B787 is kitted with new recaro slim-line seats. Allows for more seating density without compromising on pitch.

Further, there is only 21 business class, so additional economy class space, and one will assume a reduction in galley size etc?
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Vasis,

You are almost right. The LCC concept compromised the seat pitch. The slim line seats just help them do it.

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Old 19th Sep 2013, 01:25
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Did I see Andrew Strauss in a Jetstar TV ad for the B787 last night ?
Who is the CP for Jetstar now ?
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Old 19th Sep 2013, 16:26
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yes.

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Old 23rd Sep 2013, 23:14
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Any truth in the rumour that J* have crammed so many seats into the 787-8s that they cannot do OOL-NRT due to weight problems?
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Come on Kremin, of course they could do OOL-NRT in those new machines, perhaps just not with a breakeven payload...
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yes kremin, apparently. less to do with seats i'm told, more to do with the engine thrust rating they paid for. first 4? like that, others subsequent are to be chipped up. so the rumour goes anyway

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Old 24th Sep 2013, 01:18
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Define "breakeven payload"
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Old 24th Sep 2013, 03:56
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Originally Posted by waren9
yes kremin, apparently. less to do with seats i'm told, more to do with the engine thrust rating they paid for. first 4 like that? others subsequent are to be chipped up. so the rumour goes anyway
I heard another case of bean counters making operational decisions based on a spreadsheet rather than sense. Just like the A330s. Utter morons that don't learn from past mistakes.
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Old 24th Sep 2013, 04:08
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Interesting... this from an aircraft that was originally billed as a Trans-Pacific puddle jumper.

I am still not convinced about the 787.
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210-250 pax from boeing website for the -800
jetstar 335 pax config apparently

anyone offering odds on how long before they are reconfigured on pax feedback?

335/250=1.34

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Originally Posted by waren9
210-250 pax from boeing website for the -800
jetstar 335 pax config apparently

anyone offering odds on how long before they are reconfigured on pax feedback?
Never Warren. The masters of the universe never make mistakes.
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Old 24th Sep 2013, 04:16
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true don, but reg's masterstroke of no seat recline did get reversed
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Old 24th Sep 2013, 05:00
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Waren9.

I heard it was not only the engine thrust rating they paid for, but the engine pylon assembly associated with that thrust.

Supposedly, when the lower thrust engines were ordered. Boeing build the pylon specifically for that thrust output.

You can't just tweak the thrust without modifying the engine pylon.

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ah yes, mc that rings bells too.
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Originally Posted by Mstr Caution
Waren9.

I heard it was not only the engine thrust rating they paid for, but the engine pylon assembly associated with that thrust.

Supposedly, when the lower thrust engines were ordered. Boeing build the pylon specifically for that thrust output.

You can't just tweak the thrust without modifying the engine pylon.

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Heard exactly the same thing.
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Old 24th Sep 2013, 06:53
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Is this a lemon for JQ in that it can't carry max pax over some of its existing sectors? I wonder how long it will take to 'return' the aircraft to Mainline?
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Old 24th Sep 2013, 08:18
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I wonder how long it will take to 'return' the aircraft to Mainline?
They'll be "returned" to Mainline when they are scheduled for heavy maintenance, Ken - J* have to keep their costs down somehow.
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Originally Posted by Going Boeing
I wonder how long it will take to 'return' the aircraft to Mainline?
They'll be "returned" to Mainline when they are scheduled for heavy maintenance, Ken - J* have to keep their costs down somehow.
4 years after the purchase I've been told. Apparently Boeing covers the first 4 years servicing inclusive in the purchase price. Watch them go back to mainline as soon as a bill has to be paid.
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