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Old 11th Jan 2014, 22:03
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A 330 would go back on or a QF 'spare' aircraft would come to the rescue.
Happens every now and then.
When it happens, apparently the Jetstar pax are sent a letter of apology for not being on a Jetstar flight and on QANTAS instead!
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 03:28
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Tech.Question 787

Does/Do the JQ 787s suffer from any of the gremlins ours at CSA have been having lately ...? Dual CDU lockups and spoiler chatter on start causing flap / fctl lockouts etc... ( apart from having to crack the boards during start to fix this) ...
Only minor things but seem to be often...?
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 08:25
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woodja,
They are brand new aircraft. They have no problems and don't require any maintenance
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 09:32
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They are brand new aircraft. They have no problems and don't require any maintenance
Especially when they are parked on the taxiway in Cairns
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Old 13th Jan 2014, 09:48
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Ahhh the irony

Yes, sound just like CSAs then ... Perfect out of the box... But seriously, all new jets spend a bit of the time to start with , with the cowls up as we dont live in a perfect world... Just interested to see if other operators have other minor issues with them operationally...
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Old 14th Jan 2014, 09:57
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Looks like it ferried down to SY yesterday and VKD has taken its place!

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Old 15th Jan 2014, 08:06
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'Rumours and news' reports that the FAA has grounded the 787. Confused.
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Old 15th Jan 2014, 08:21
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Took off out of Melbourne the other day just prior to the J*787 going Mel-Dps, they went straight to FL400.
Just wondering if the loads are that poor or is the aircrafts performance that good?

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Old 15th Jan 2014, 10:32
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4Greens------mate confused? Really!! That thread in Rumours and News started back on the 17th Jan 2013 ( one year ago ) when the FAA grounded the 787. Someone posted onto the thread with the latest Battery smoke problem. So no, it's not grounded again..
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Old 15th Jan 2014, 12:29
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Took off out of Melbourne the other day just prior to the J*787 going Mel-Dps, they went straight to FL400.
Just wondering if the loads are that poor or is the aircrafts performance that good?
Yes, the performance really is that good.

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Old 15th Jan 2014, 19:42
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According to Jetstar source, VH-VKA has operated MEL-DPS return everyday since the 18th December. I wonder what the plan was if it had gone tech? and what to do about the potential PR fallout for the holiday makers who would have been inconvenienced.
Apparently Jetstar have been overnighting A330 crews in DPS for up to 5 days at a time virtually on standby in case the 787 goes tech. I guess if an 330 needs to come to the rescue, there will be a crew in DPS to fly it back home again.
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Old 16th Jan 2014, 00:02
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Apparently Jetstar have been overnighting A330 crews in DPS for up to 5 days at a time virtually on standby in case the 787 goes tech. I guess if an 330 needs to come to the rescue, there will be a crew in DPS to fly it back home again.
Not saying it's a correct decision but the cost of this would certainly be much less than that caused by a delay arising from a type change, not to mention the aggro from the travelling bogans.
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Old 16th Jan 2014, 00:31
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Believe it not I have a mate on Reserve in Bali for 16 days....(330 CN )

Yes 16 days reserve in Bali, I kid you not.

I guess it's ok as long as QF are paying the bills.......
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Old 16th Jan 2014, 01:11
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Isn't that just good planning?? A few posts ago people we're taking the [email protected] because they assumed J* we're running this route with a single acft and it's only plan for disruption was to call in Qantas. Now it would appear they have a plan in place and yet you still take the mick! No pleasing some people.

I have said it once and will say it again, if you feel Qantas is actually paying the bills despite denials to the contrary, how about you prove it! I know the stock exchange would be interested to see if all the filed accounts are fraudulent!
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Old 16th Jan 2014, 01:27
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Ollie,

It's a plan, but is it a good one? There are other options that could be developed that don't see crew sitting around on reserve at out-ports 'just in case'. This has nuffink to do with Qantas paying the bills.
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Old 16th Jan 2014, 01:30
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I know the stock exchange would be interested to see if all the filed accounts are fraudulent!
I am under no illusion that what they are doing is legal. That doesn't change the fact that it is happening.

Aircraft leasing rates, fuel accounts setup, engineering turnarounds, JQ exec salaries, purchase of cargo space on JQ aircraft, codeshare seat purchases, disruption cleanup (thankfully less these days), Q Club access etc etc etc.

Speak with those above you and they will acknowledge that it is occurring but that it is 'just the way it is'.

I refer you to the 'Boston Matrix' (google search if you don't know what it is) in all its 'glory'.

Then again, if it gives you your 3 year A320 command, why would you care?
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Old 16th Jan 2014, 02:37
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I don't get why qantas folk keep whinging about jetstar pax using the qantas lounges.

These passengers pay almost $1000 a year for the privilege, or fly a great deal on qantas as well as jetstar, or pay for points when flying jetstar to keep their club membership.

So at the end of the day, it's not a conspiracy. The group owns the lounges, not qantas domestic or international. The revenue from their operation goes to the group.

As for the rest, I know it sucks, but that's life in aviation. Be part of the solution or go on LWOP and try your luck elsewhere.
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Old 16th Jan 2014, 02:38
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Ollie Onion, agree with you on the doubt re the rumours of QF on JQ bills. Reality is most people on the ground won't see the bill they will just know that ex QF staff did this for JQ etc.

However if I was Simon Hickey, CEO Qantas Intl or Lyell Strambi, CEO, Qantas Domestic, I would be making darn sure, given that undoubtedly my pay/bonus/potential promotion to Group CEO depends on the profit of my individual business unit that I would be sure making my unit got paid for anything they did for what is effectively a competitor (albeit part of the same umbrella).

And I don't see any particular issues with divisions competing against each other, each with a slightly different market segment target. I look at
Wesfarmeres - Kmart v Target
Leighton - Leighton v Thiess v John Holland
Westpac - Westpac v StGeorge/BankSA/Bankof Melbourne
Lend Lease - Lend Lease v Abigroup v Baulderstone
All companies that are far larger, and I daresay more complex than Qantas
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Old 22nd Jan 2014, 10:37
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See the mighty plastic may have failed today.

JQ35 MEL-DPS being operated by an A332 and very late.

Any word?
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Old 22nd Jan 2014, 10:48
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The "Boston Matrix", interesting read on wikipedia - puts a lot of whats happened into perspective. An interesting part of the wikipedia article is the criticism;
While theoretically useful, and widely used, several academic studies have called into question whether using the growth–share matrix actually helps businesses succeed, and the model has since been removed from some major marketing textbooks.[6][7] One study (Slater and Zwirlein, 1992) which looked at 129 firms found that those who follow portfolio planning models like the BCG matrix had lower shareholder returns.

The matrix ranks only market share and industry growth rate, and only implies actual profitability, the purpose of any business. (It is certainly possible that a particular dog can be profitable without cash infusions required, and therefore should be retained and not sold.) The matrix also overlooks other elements of industry. With this or any other such analytical tool, ranking business units has a subjective element involving guesswork about the future, particularly with respect to growth rates. Unless the rankings are approached with rigor and scepticism, optimistic evaluations can lead to a dot com mentality in which even the most dubious businesses are classified as "question marks" with good prospects; enthusiastic managers may claim that cash must be thrown at these businesses immediately in order to turn them into stars, before growth rates slow and it's too late. Poor definition of a business's market will lead to some dogs being misclassified as cash cows.
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