Runway Lights taken out AKL
I wonder why all these Captains wanted to risk their careers and their passengers by rolling when they would've known they were off to the side of the runway, definitely.
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Geez you guys are picky... 
Do you have a complete transcript of what Mr Clark said?
Do you know what context he said it in?
Do you know what question was asked of him to elicit that response?
I can guarantee the answer to all the above is a resounding NO!
Do you have a complete transcript of what Mr Clark said?
Do you know what context he said it in?
Do you know what question was asked of him to elicit that response?
I can guarantee the answer to all the above is a resounding NO!
The commission's investigation into the "runway excursion" could take until next April to complete
Is that why there's a pilot's locker at what was Air Nelson with his name on it?He's well known in the industry for not knowing much.
Seriously can't one of you take one for the team and replace him as a " aviation commentator"? Put the idiot out of business.
I would volunteer but I'm not fluent in idiot ...
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The reason they keep going back to Peter Clark is that he is the only joker willing to put his name behind his commentary. I agree that many of his comments are later shown to be pretty wide of the mark. That's what you gelt when a ppl gives opinions on transport aircraft ops. I have a few mates in the media and they have asked me several times to comment on various issues but no way am I standing up and passing judgment on the six o'clock news. First of all I'd probably lose my job, and secondly get torn to pieces by the pilot fraternity. If someone has more courage than me, then pick up the phone, call the news desk and offer your opinion. Boom, you're an aviation commentator just like old pete.
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Do they sell them at Bunnings?
No, wait. Those were solar garden lights. Sorry..
(But they do look similar
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There's an additional little known factor that also explains why the `commentator' features so regularly.
In a nation as small as Un Zud, a certain airline features regularly in aviation stories - because not much else happens.
That certain airline likes him very much, because they can quietly tell him exactly what to say - and then he says it.
So anytime a journo is doing a story on said airline and seeks an `independent' third party viewpoint on the issue - they go to Mr Clark and whaddya know - he agrees with the airline!
Interesting...
In a nation as small as Un Zud, a certain airline features regularly in aviation stories - because not much else happens.
That certain airline likes him very much, because they can quietly tell him exactly what to say - and then he says it.
So anytime a journo is doing a story on said airline and seeks an `independent' third party viewpoint on the issue - they go to Mr Clark and whaddya know - he agrees with the airline!
Interesting...
Actually - I heard he help land an Air Nelson a/c when the FO suddenly became violently ill.
Apparently the amusement at said claim led to him being given the honorary locker.
Apparently the amusement at said claim led to him being given the honorary locker.
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The New Zealand Transport Accident Investigation Commission (TAIC) published their findings regarding an incident in which an Airbus A340 commenced a night time takeoff at Auckand while misaligned with the runway.
On 18 May 2013 an Airbus A340 operated by LAN Airlines, Chile was making an early-morning departure (LA801) from Auckland Airport for a scheduled return flight to Sydney, Australia. In addition to the captain and the first officer, there were eight cabin crew and 196 passengers on board.
It was dark but the visibility was good. The captain taxied the aeroplane from the gate toward taxiway A1 for a take-off towards the west. As the aeroplane neared taxiway A1 the tower controller gave clearance for it to line up on the runway. As the aeroplane was entering the runway the tower controller gave clearance for it to take off.
The two pilots performed the remaining tasks and before-take-off checks while the aeroplane was taxiing. The captain then turned the aeroplane sharply to line up with what he thought were the runway centreline lights, but which were actually the right-hand runway edge lights, and applied take-off thrust.
While accelerating towards take-off speed, the captain realised that the aeroplane was not aligned with the runway centreline. He steered the aeroplane back onto the runway centreline and continued with the take-off. The pilots did not report the incident to air traffic control at the time.
A routine runway inspection later that morning found that seven of the elevated runway edge lights were damaged and required replacement. The runway was closed for 20 minutes while the debris was removed. When the aeroplane was inspected after it arrived in Sydney, two of the tyres were found to be damaged and had to be replaced.
TAIC found that at some point while the pilots were conducting last-minute checks and tasks before the take-off, the captain lost awareness of precisely where his aeroplane was in relation to the runway centreline.
The Commission also found that three other factors contributed to the misaligned take-off: the potential illusion created by the illuminated manoeuvre area guidance signs parallel to the runway; no other means were used to confirm positively the aeroplane’s position prior to take-off; and the rolling take-off which reduced the time available for either pilot to realise the error.
The Commission identified two broader safety issues relating to: the intensity settings for aerodrome lighting; and administrative errors and potential ambiguity in the way relevant International Civil Aviation Organization standards for airport design and operations might be interpreted. The Commission could not determine whether either of these safety issues contributed to the incident. Nevertheless, the Commission has made recommendations to the Director of Civil Aviation and the chief executive of Auckland International Airport Limited to address these safety issues.
Key lessons arising from this inquiry are:
– entering an active runway is a critical phase of flight. Pilots must give the manoeuvre their full attention and use all available means to confirm that they are lining up in the centre of the correct runway
– it is essential that pilots report as soon as practicable any suspicion that a runway is contaminated with debris.
On 18 May 2013 an Airbus A340 operated by LAN Airlines, Chile was making an early-morning departure (LA801) from Auckland Airport for a scheduled return flight to Sydney, Australia. In addition to the captain and the first officer, there were eight cabin crew and 196 passengers on board.
It was dark but the visibility was good. The captain taxied the aeroplane from the gate toward taxiway A1 for a take-off towards the west. As the aeroplane neared taxiway A1 the tower controller gave clearance for it to line up on the runway. As the aeroplane was entering the runway the tower controller gave clearance for it to take off.
The two pilots performed the remaining tasks and before-take-off checks while the aeroplane was taxiing. The captain then turned the aeroplane sharply to line up with what he thought were the runway centreline lights, but which were actually the right-hand runway edge lights, and applied take-off thrust.
While accelerating towards take-off speed, the captain realised that the aeroplane was not aligned with the runway centreline. He steered the aeroplane back onto the runway centreline and continued with the take-off. The pilots did not report the incident to air traffic control at the time.
A routine runway inspection later that morning found that seven of the elevated runway edge lights were damaged and required replacement. The runway was closed for 20 minutes while the debris was removed. When the aeroplane was inspected after it arrived in Sydney, two of the tyres were found to be damaged and had to be replaced.
TAIC found that at some point while the pilots were conducting last-minute checks and tasks before the take-off, the captain lost awareness of precisely where his aeroplane was in relation to the runway centreline.
The Commission also found that three other factors contributed to the misaligned take-off: the potential illusion created by the illuminated manoeuvre area guidance signs parallel to the runway; no other means were used to confirm positively the aeroplane’s position prior to take-off; and the rolling take-off which reduced the time available for either pilot to realise the error.
The Commission identified two broader safety issues relating to: the intensity settings for aerodrome lighting; and administrative errors and potential ambiguity in the way relevant International Civil Aviation Organization standards for airport design and operations might be interpreted. The Commission could not determine whether either of these safety issues contributed to the incident. Nevertheless, the Commission has made recommendations to the Director of Civil Aviation and the chief executive of Auckland International Airport Limited to address these safety issues.
Key lessons arising from this inquiry are:
– entering an active runway is a critical phase of flight. Pilots must give the manoeuvre their full attention and use all available means to confirm that they are lining up in the centre of the correct runway
– it is essential that pilots report as soon as practicable any suspicion that a runway is contaminated with debris.
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Quote..."While accelerating towards take-off speed, the captain realised that the aeroplane was not aligned with the runway centreline. He steered the aeroplane back onto the runway centreline and continued with the take-off. The pilots did not report the incident to air traffic control at the time"
I just love that part.....surprising that both pilots did not realize the obvious,(I presume they had a relief)in the Jumpseat .....that makes 3......one has to wonder where yr attention actually is.....
Many years ago,based in Anchorage,I personally watched an Air China cargo job,747..... Take off on the north taxi way,demolishing most of the taxi lights,etc.......whilst the tower controller barked at them for several minutes about their position,and to reject the takeoff.....which the did not.......the crew,repeating several times .....cleared for takeoff!!!!..... As hilarious as it was,because it was like watching a guy Fawkes display for several minutes,much to the applause of holding aircraft......it was an awesome display.......my point,there were 4 crew members in that cockpit.......not one of them realized they had lined up on the taxiway.........it begs the question,where were they???? ,how does this happen???......hard to understand at any level,as this particular exercise requires everyone to be onboard and alert......personally,I have made taxi errors,....but not being able to "line up and wait,"on the correct rwy,in the correct position is not one of them...
I just love that part.....surprising that both pilots did not realize the obvious,(I presume they had a relief)in the Jumpseat .....that makes 3......one has to wonder where yr attention actually is.....
Many years ago,based in Anchorage,I personally watched an Air China cargo job,747..... Take off on the north taxi way,demolishing most of the taxi lights,etc.......whilst the tower controller barked at them for several minutes about their position,and to reject the takeoff.....which the did not.......the crew,repeating several times .....cleared for takeoff!!!!..... As hilarious as it was,because it was like watching a guy Fawkes display for several minutes,much to the applause of holding aircraft......it was an awesome display.......my point,there were 4 crew members in that cockpit.......not one of them realized they had lined up on the taxiway.........it begs the question,where were they???? ,how does this happen???......hard to understand at any level,as this particular exercise requires everyone to be onboard and alert......personally,I have made taxi errors,....but not being able to "line up and wait,"on the correct rwy,in the correct position is not one of them...
