Qlink's future.
Nunc est bibendum
All this talk of straight pay rates is interesting but can someone break it down to me in terms of ASKs please? What's the cost of a Cobham crew per ASK compared to a mainline crew?
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Keg,
It took you to bring me out of retirement, you are a lot smarter than that.
ASK's are an irrelevant number with the way yield management is undertaken these days. RPKs ASKs et al are no more useful than or accurate than the old days of saying 60 percent load factor is break even or anything greater than 80 percent and you are spilling.
With unbundling and add ons (read onboard sales) ASK's have little bearing on an airlines ability to generate revenue or at least profit.
IMHO
It took you to bring me out of retirement, you are a lot smarter than that.
ASK's are an irrelevant number with the way yield management is undertaken these days. RPKs ASKs et al are no more useful than or accurate than the old days of saying 60 percent load factor is break even or anything greater than 80 percent and you are spilling.
With unbundling and add ons (read onboard sales) ASK's have little bearing on an airlines ability to generate revenue or at least profit.
IMHO
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Don't be too sure
Qantas pay the bills, Cobham up the pay.....Qantas ultimately pay. It may just be they are happy to ride the higher cost for a while, but not for long.....totally against Qantas'
mode of operation. And you have to wonder why Qlink have changed almost the entire senior management for JQ management................those guys would not move to a Prop operation without good reason, and now they're looking for managers with 50 ton experience..................I fear Cobham may have won the fight but will definately lose the war. Too much happening in Qlink for a move to Jet ops not to be imminent.
mode of operation. And you have to wonder why Qlink have changed almost the entire senior management for JQ management................those guys would not move to a Prop operation without good reason, and now they're looking for managers with 50 ton experience..................I fear Cobham may have won the fight but will definately lose the war. Too much happening in Qlink for a move to Jet ops not to be imminent.
Nunc est bibendum
topgun, at the end of the day, it comes down to how much a Qantas pilot costs to move x amount of seats compared to a pilot from VOZ, Tiger, Cobham, etc. It's the same formula that sees pilot costs on a QF 767 marginally lower than that for a 737 flying equivalent flying hours. IE we carry more people than they do for the same cost. If that's not relevant to the discussion I don't know what is.
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admittedly there are some 400's running on those sectors, but seriously, you call the QF product on the 800 inferior to QLink 717????
QLink babes vs mainline dragons....no contest....QLink 717 wins.
Qantas pay the bills, Cobham up the pay.....Qantas ultimately pay.
I fear Cobham may have won the fight but will definately lose the war
If anybody wants to fly a jet then go and get a job with a company that already has jets. Never believe the empty promises and rumors.
be the case, but a 717 will not carry 300 pax plus bags plus 11 tonne of freight over a 4500nm sector into a 50kt headwind.
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...and an A330 won't carry 400 pax and 30t freight over 6000nm either.
The "steroid diesel 9" over those short, thin routes would be very competitive I'm guessing. 👍
The "steroid diesel 9" over those short, thin routes would be very competitive I'm guessing. 👍
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We regularly use the 77W on DXB-DOH-DXB (230nm), which is very similar to SYD-CBR-SYD, and we fill them-and offer a full service.
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Clear to land...so is THAT why there were such a large profit share paid last 2 years? 😂😂😂
(Sorry about the thread drift...I'll retreat to my kennel now)
(Sorry about the thread drift...I'll retreat to my kennel now)
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clear to land,
I think you'll find that has nothing to do with the suitability of the 77W on a short sector like that, but more to do with that fact it's most probably cheaper than having to introduce a narrow body onto those short haul routes with the attendant costs. Something along those lines was given by a senior CX manager as to why they had never gone for a narrow body a few yrs back.
I think you'll find that has nothing to do with the suitability of the 77W on a short sector like that, but more to do with that fact it's most probably cheaper than having to introduce a narrow body onto those short haul routes with the attendant costs. Something along those lines was given by a senior CX manager as to why they had never gone for a narrow body a few yrs back.
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well back onto the topic.......
Qlink (read EAA/SSA) announced who is going to do the job of "training and development policy specialist" (read write manuals to operate jets).
Apparently he hails from the land of sand.
Qlink (read EAA/SSA) announced who is going to do the job of "training and development policy specialist" (read write manuals to operate jets).
Apparently he hails from the land of sand.
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QLink (read Cobham) have a DHTC who hails from the land of the sand too.
We'll raise your sand dune with Big Red (the biggest sand hill in the Simpson).
We'll raise your sand dune with Big Red (the biggest sand hill in the Simpson).
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I agree, tired. The new management went on and on at the roadshows that they were not just the "typical" Qantas management! Well, really! Stop making bs hit statements with no substance! Qlink management and Qantas management.... Anyone heard of red q! Opportunities for sunstate and eastern to fly 717s! I'm sick of this carrot dangling crap! I would say to the current management! Don't say anything unless you can back it! Credibility means a lot!
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'Qlinks Future
Greetings all, I have just recently joined PPRuNe; this is an interesting thread. I fly 4 QANTAS Link Flights a week for business and recently my local airport that is serviced by Virgin, QL and recently Tiger had its ramp upgraded for parking larger aircraft. The first day after it was completed I noticed the new line marking for 787, I laughed and thought the council had stuffed up, yet months later, 787 parking facilities are still marked as such.
Virgin currently bring in 737's and EJ170 or 190's, QantasLink Q400's and Tiger A320's (I think thats the model). So who would be bringing in the 787? I know our council guys can at time makes some mighty blunders, but surley they didn't stuff that up? Food for thought?
Also, getting to know some of the staff over time, Link is to be dropped from the logo? I suppose as with all things aviation, you believe it when it happens. Just like the QL move to terminal 3, when it happens I'll believe it, although the latest Spirit magazine confirms the move in later 2013.
Virgin currently bring in 737's and EJ170 or 190's, QantasLink Q400's and Tiger A320's (I think thats the model). So who would be bringing in the 787? I know our council guys can at time makes some mighty blunders, but surley they didn't stuff that up? Food for thought?
Also, getting to know some of the staff over time, Link is to be dropped from the logo? I suppose as with all things aviation, you believe it when it happens. Just like the QL move to terminal 3, when it happens I'll believe it, although the latest Spirit magazine confirms the move in later 2013.
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I suspect CFS is being prepared as an alternate for the 787 in the event that it is required for SYD or BNE. I'd be surprised if they start putting wide bodied jets in there regularly any time soon!
I think the dropping of the 'link' from QLink might have been a serious proposition at one stage but I have heard it was met with some regulatory issues and is no longer on the table.
The move to T3 in Sydney is definitely on though. Many steps have already been taken to make it so and I think it'll be a big win for the pax once the initial confusion settles.
I think the dropping of the 'link' from QLink might have been a serious proposition at one stage but I have heard it was met with some regulatory issues and is no longer on the table.
The move to T3 in Sydney is definitely on though. Many steps have already been taken to make it so and I think it'll be a big win for the pax once the initial confusion settles.
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