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Old 10th Apr 2013, 09:28
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Qantas 787's and possible 747 freighter's? What's the latest rumour?

I have done a search and all the threads have ended up being closed. On our lunch break the other day, we were trying to work out what was going on and thought someone on PPRuNe may of been keeping track.

So our questions are;

Does anyone know what's the latest rumour with the 787? So correct me if I'm wrong, jetstar will be receiving 15 787-8's and Qantas will receive 10 787-something's and 35 787 orders have been cancelled right?

Jetstar will be receiving the 787-8 first?

The 35 cancelled orders, have they been cancelled or put on hold for a later date?

Now the 747 freighter... Does anyone have any information? Or is it another 777 rumour that floats around every couple of years.
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Jetstar will receive 14 787-8 supposedly from Aug/ Sep this year- QF cancelled the 15th a little while ago AND got a pay out for it.

As they get them, A330s will come back to QF.

Beyond those 14, the QF group have zero firm orders but have 35 (I think... may be out on that one, perhaps 50?) fully convertible options on 787-9s available for delivery (as of today's date anyway) from 2016 onwards. Whether Boeing can deliver them in that time frame remains to be seen.

I reckon you're right about the 747 freighter. It's up there with the 777.
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eyond those 14, the QF group have zero firm orders but have 35 (I think... may be out on that one, perhaps 50?) fully convertible options on 787-9s available for delivery (as of today's date anyway) from 2016 onwards. Whether Boeing can deliver them in that time frame remains to be seen.
Thanks kegs.

We were a bit unsure about all the convertible options on the 787's that qf may end up receiving in the future.

Just wondering are the mainline pilots going to fly the 787 or is that still unknown like it is for engineering?

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My understanding is the Qantas Group B787 status as currently announced is 14 firm orders for JQ, zero orders for Mainline, zero options and 50 "intentions to buy". Joyce may have intentions to convert them to orders/options but he's playing his cards close to his chest and the managers below him know bugger all.
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Thanks for the added info Going Boeing.

Mainline pilots flying the 787? Our award covers the introduction of new types. Whether QF intends to use mainline pilots is the $64 question.

I should clarify the freighter option a bit too. If I recall correctly, the board has actually approved the acquisition of two 744 freighters? My understanding is that they're for EFA. I think they (the 'royal they' as in the group, not EFA, mainline engineering, etc) are already discussing how to integrate them into the system of maintenance.

Whether there is some sort of crewing arrangement for mainline crews, who knows. Past behaviour being a good indicator of future behaviour I would suggest that EFA will crew them whilst mainline crews continue to burn down excess leave- to the net detriment of the group bottom line but it'll make a couple of managers KPIs look awesome.
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So much for the biggest fleet orders and QF getting the shot in the arm it needed.

Just like the 777...QF miss the boat and get the old A330's back

Had a great trip to and from LAX on QF recently, shame its is my last. Not my last trip, just QF.
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Just was reading this article in the news today.

AUSTRALIAN flag carrier Qantas says that the delivery of its first Boeing's 787 Dreamliner may be delayed by "a couple of months" but reiterated its backing for the troubled aircraft.
Qantas International chief executive Simon Hickey told reporters in Singapore that the first of 14 Dreamliners ordered by Qantas is now expected to be delivered "sometime after August" due to battery problems.
Asked how long after August -- the month of delivery previously mentioned by Qantas -- Hickey said: "It wouldn't be more than a couple of months."
The Dreamliners were grounded globally on January 16 after a series of overheating problems with the cutting-edge plane's lithium-ion battery system.
"I think the aircraft is a phenomenal aircraft," Hickey told reporters after launching a new Qantas lounge at Singapore's Changi Airport.
"What it does is provide the economics of a jumbo with a much more number of seats which is fantastic. So you can get either frequency or distribution strength by using an aircraft such as the 787," he said.
"We're still very committed to the 787."
In addition to the 14 B787-8 planes on order, Qantas has retained purchase rights for 50 of the B787-9 variant, he said.
The Dreamliners were grounded after a battery caught fire in a parked Japan Airlines 787 at Boston's Logan Airport and battery smoke forced an emergency landing of an All Nippon Airways 787 in Japan.
On March 12, the US Federal Aviation Administration approved Boeing's plan for testing the batteries as the first step toward the plane's return to flight.
Hickey said the problems with the Dreamliner batteries were part of "teething issues with any new aircraft that has ever been available to put in the air".
"I still think it's a fantastic aircraft," he added.


Read more: Qantas says Dreamliner delivery delayed | News.com.au
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Why is the CEO of Qantas International making a comment on the 787?
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Marc whatever his name is who designs the seats may have let that slip on a flight recently.

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"What it does is provide the economics of a jumbo with a much more number of seats which is fantastic. So you can get either frequency or distribution strength by using an aircraft such as the 787," he said.
Where do we get these people?? The economics of a jumbo? Whoopdedo. What about the economics of a 777. With much more seats? Does this not make sense to anyone else?

Anyway

I hope u r right What The but gave up holding my breath years ago
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Originally Posted by Capt Kremin View Post
Why is the CEO of Qantas International making a comment on the 787?
My thoughts exactly. Surely that falls under Hrdlicka's responsibility.
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400 surplus pilots, half of which are on leave of absence.

SH talking about the 787 at the new premium lounge in Singapore.

CP INTL stating the three year flying plan won't see redundancies.

Nah. Surely they wouldn't be thinking of providing premium 787 services to Asia.

We're talking QF here.

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Dont have a rego, but ZA215 VH- is now on the production line.

Shouldn't be too long until a shot of it surfaces over the next week or two..

BA's first 787 sighting.


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The other thing worth mentioning is that QF Flight Ops ability to keep a secret has improved dramatically. The PER base landed upon a completely unsuspecting pilot group. No pilot I'd spoken to in the lead up to the training slots being released had mentioned it even as a possibility.

Therefore, whilst I'm more likely to think that IF (and it's still a massive IF) QF change their minds about the 787, then no one will know about it until AJ announces it.

Coincidentally, he has a press conference scheduled for 10am Monday morning.
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Maybe.... But the 330 PER base is set up to receive the Stolen generation back.
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There has been chatter about "looking for the right opportunity to exit JQI"... ie how to save face.

No doubt we will all be proved wrong tomorrow when AJ stands up and announces another airline to undercut the under cutters....

Or will we?
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There has been a bit of talk about a late change to the allocation of the 787-8. I remember at a management pow wow we were told that 'QF dont want the 800, not as good as advertised, JQ can have em'.......

Also rumours that the QF cabin design team were recently rushed over to the states, and after a few too many chardy's on the way home one let slip that they had been tasked to quickly do the interiors for QF 787's


One JQ 330 dude i sat next to on a paxing flight recently told me the loads between Oz and Narita had been very low.....the lowest he'd seen was 40 odd pax, and he wouldnt be surprised if JQI was slowly wound down...

Who knows...interesting to see. Although given AJ's history for letting QF down, it will probably be a press conference to announce the appointment to the board of another private equity guru with zero airline experience....
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..... and why was OW the cover story of the Australian Mag this weekend??
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Taking the "link" off Qantaslink and an order for 318/319 busses.
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Taking the "link" off Qantaslink and an order for 318/319 busses.
I cant remember exactly who told me, it was definitely a company person, they said that QF had applied for the 'link' thing, but it had been denied by some regulatory/legal/government body.
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