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Although relatively expensive long term, I think it may have had more to do with time and potential legal problems.
My understanding is that VBAdmin, is no longer with VB(VA) and has not been for a while.
Someone mentioned that there was "targeting" of management pilots with certain post's.
I did not see any post that was defamatory (libel) toward any individual, management or not. Although there was a warning from an Admin, about some posts and if requested user details would be provided to the necessary authorities.
I did receive a very well written explanation from PPRUNE Admin/Owner in regards to having a separate company forum for VA and understand the reasons not to.
There are too many legal issues and ongoing political correctness nowadays for it to be effective anyway. If you are not upsetting fellow crew, there is a risk the company may be watching, enough of that without a forum.
As I said I have a domain, site etc but...
My understanding is that VBAdmin, is no longer with VB(VA) and has not been for a while.
Someone mentioned that there was "targeting" of management pilots with certain post's.
I did not see any post that was defamatory (libel) toward any individual, management or not. Although there was a warning from an Admin, about some posts and if requested user details would be provided to the necessary authorities.
I did receive a very well written explanation from PPRUNE Admin/Owner in regards to having a separate company forum for VA and understand the reasons not to.
There are too many legal issues and ongoing political correctness nowadays for it to be effective anyway. If you are not upsetting fellow crew, there is a risk the company may be watching, enough of that without a forum.
As I said I have a domain, site etc but...
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The management pilots were just as surprised when it closed.
They had nothing to do with the closure, and I have it on good authority that while a bit annoyed with some comments it went no further
They had nothing to do with the closure, and I have it on good authority that while a bit annoyed with some comments it went no further
Snakecharma,
I did not mean for my post to sound like it was because of management pilots that the forum was closed, far from it.
I think everyone appreciated having management pilots be part of the discussion(s) in their own little way.
There was a lot of info on the forum, but at the same time not a lot. Some posts were not received very well, maybe it was sometimes too close to the truth? Others were downright trolling.
Some very robust discussion though on many topics, with some excellent points of view from all levels of crew/position. A great way to share information or highlight information of interest.
Some good information was shared. I believe that it should be a private forum, well away from the general public and other interests.
I did not mean for my post to sound like it was because of management pilots that the forum was closed, far from it.
I think everyone appreciated having management pilots be part of the discussion(s) in their own little way.
There was a lot of info on the forum, but at the same time not a lot. Some posts were not received very well, maybe it was sometimes too close to the truth? Others were downright trolling.
Some very robust discussion though on many topics, with some excellent points of view from all levels of crew/position. A great way to share information or highlight information of interest.
Some good information was shared. I believe that it should be a private forum, well away from the general public and other interests.
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Perhaps it would be a good time to restructure the pilot's website.
1. Change it to "VA Pilots"
2. Make all subscribing VA pilots share the financial and legal burden of the website. Make users contribute to the running costs via an annual subscription fee.
3. Make users post under their own name - individuals take responsibility for their posts and not the website. Discussions would still be robust!
This website has been a fantastic forum for discussion and shared information regardless of which camp you are in (VIPA/AFAP). It remains the best medium for more than a thousand pilots, spread throughout the the land to think about VA issues as a group.
1. Change it to "VA Pilots"
2. Make all subscribing VA pilots share the financial and legal burden of the website. Make users contribute to the running costs via an annual subscription fee.
3. Make users post under their own name - individuals take responsibility for their posts and not the website. Discussions would still be robust!
This website has been a fantastic forum for discussion and shared information regardless of which camp you are in (VIPA/AFAP). It remains the best medium for more than a thousand pilots, spread throughout the the land to think about VA issues as a group.
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Some poster are extremely bold when they post under an alias. They happily cast accusations and spread Non factual rumors most of which they would not do under their own name.
Most pilots on the VB site know me and I don't try and hide my identity.
I think the use of real names is long overdue.
We will wait and see when it is re-launched..
Most pilots on the VB site know me and I don't try and hide my identity.
I think the use of real names is long overdue.
We will wait and see when it is re-launched..
I can fully appreciate the amount of time and effort that the remaining administrator put into the site, while flying the line and jumping through the usual hoops. He will have lots of better things to do on his days off now.
Oh, and by the way, it's still no...
Oh, and by the way, it's still no...
I understand the use of real names, in part I agree. But what if there is a disagreement online and it continues into the real world??
There is a LOT that needs to be said, people are afraid of management/company and losing there job, even if they are right............ sounds familiar
There is a LOT that needs to be said, people are afraid of management/company and losing there job, even if they are right............ sounds familiar
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Good to hear it's coming back.
The main issue I see with using real names is people will be less inclined to share information regarding sims and the like, as the management/ checkies will be able to identify those providing tips/advise.
The main issue I see with using real names is people will be less inclined to share information regarding sims and the like, as the management/ checkies will be able to identify those providing tips/advise.
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Why don't you VA guys get onto the admin of simsonQ?
The site is used by the QF guys where all simulator sessions are discussed anonymously. With some handy hints in there as well.
I'm sure the admin would host a VA section.
The site is used by the QF guys where all simulator sessions are discussed anonymously. With some handy hints in there as well.
I'm sure the admin would host a VA section.
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Could I suggest that the new version of the vbpilots have a mobile phone/tablet friendly interface? I'm on another non aviation forum site which has a standard site, but when accessed via mobile phone, has a sleek easy to view mobile platform. It uses the vBulletin forum code.
As all I seem to get is 4 day trips, it would make viewing a whole lot easier!
As all I seem to get is 4 day trips, it would make viewing a whole lot easier!
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It's back
VB pilots is back, however running under new name Virginetics • Index page
All current logins work.
All current logins work.
I wonder for those that were "vocal" if there identity is going to be kept secret 
Be very interesting. Thanks for the info.
Cheers.
Be very interesting. Thanks for the info.
Cheers.
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This "management pilot" is a top bloke and doing this out of the kindness of his heart, as he did for us at VAI for a long time. His integrity is beyond question and he would NEVER compromise your identity as long as you play by the rules.
I make no comment one way or the other, i just think it is worth knowing that it is being run by management and he will have access to everyones identity.
Unfortunately I wont be contributing. Play at your own risk.
On the plus side it may help keep the tone of the forums civil, but most likley it will only result in the sycophants posting and the dissenters abstaining, which results in an unbalanced view.
Unfortunately I wont be contributing. Play at your own risk.
On the plus side it may help keep the tone of the forums civil, but most likley it will only result in the sycophants posting and the dissenters abstaining, which results in an unbalanced view.
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being run by management
I wont be contributing
Play at your own risk
most likley it will only result in the sycophants posting and the dissenters abstaining, which results in an unbalanced view
I'm just glad the forum is up, and hope it'll be used by all VA pilots. After all, we're one big happy family now, right.......
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You complete fools.
The so called management pilot that some are questioning, is one of the nicest blokes you will ever meet. He is certainly not one to dig up dirt and use it to screw you.
He is honest, trustworthy and I am sure there are more than enough people around who will vouch for his integrity..
As usual, people with no idea sprouting off about things they quite obviously have no idea about.
He would have gone out of his way to and given up his own precious time to get things back up and running and this is the thanks he gets.
The so called management pilot that some are questioning, is one of the nicest blokes you will ever meet. He is certainly not one to dig up dirt and use it to screw you.
He is honest, trustworthy and I am sure there are more than enough people around who will vouch for his integrity..
As usual, people with no idea sprouting off about things they quite obviously have no idea about.
He would have gone out of his way to and given up his own precious time to get things back up and running and this is the thanks he gets.