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Old 13th Feb 2013, 05:11
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Katter's bill is well intended but needs some extra tuning so as not to disadvantage any of the airlines in the immediate future.

It would be fantastic to have a majority of all airline maintenance done here but the operators that do not have much, or any local maintenance need to have time to set up. Incremental change and some carrots not a bloody big stick. You can't legislate to send someone broke, so the bill needs work, to make it work.

Saying all that, it is dead given neither of the majors would give Katter the steam off their droppings without being put over a barrel.
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Old 13th Feb 2013, 07:19
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I would like the government to make it harder for 457 visa workers to get jobs in the aviation industry in Australia too.
Why just the aviation industry, I would like to see it harder in all industries, in fact, I would like to see it impossible.
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Old 13th Feb 2013, 08:29
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Pretty sure Vegemite is owned by an American company......
Only today Dick Smith switches his boot once again to the other foot...

Heinz is threatening to sue Dick Smith over claims made on his company’s beetroot tins.

The label says: ‘‘When American-owned Heinz decided to move its beetroot processing facility from Australia to New Zealand causing hundreds of lost jobs, we decided enough is enough.
‘‘So we are fighting back against poor quality imported product.’’

and Kraft owns Vegemite... what's next.. UAE buys Qantas.....?

good for the shareholders I guess...

If Qantas International doesn't get globalised wages it will go out of business.
That said, we can pay decent Australian wages to pilots - if they work the same number of hours in the cockpit as their Aussie pilot mates at Emirates, Etihad and elsewhere.
However, a greater percentage of cabin crew will have to be employed on global wages.

And while those employed in Australia to maintain its domestic fleet should be OK, an increased proportion of the maintenance for the international flights will have to be done offshore.
I have a number of aircraft and I have had to stop in Singapore and Dubai to have maintenance done.
The maintenance has been just as good - because the supervisors are Australian or are British. The actual workers are from the Philippines and they get paid roughly half the wage available here.

Dick Smith is a businessman and former chairman of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority

High-cost kangaroo of Qantas cannot continue, says Dick Smith |

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Old 13th Feb 2013, 09:22
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I agree with other comments, why single out this industry?

Should you only be able to sell cars in Australia if they had 80% local content?

What about white goods?


Fruit and Veg?


Why should aviation be held back and restrained from keeping globally competitive?

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Old 13th Feb 2013, 09:36
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We can be globally competitive here but it doesn't fit in with the master plan.

Why is our industry different? Because it helps support our country in times of crisis and war.
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Old 13th Feb 2013, 14:14
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Dick's brochure: Airline Safety Rating Brochure


Has anyone ever seen this?

I wrote to him back then about how ridiculous it was and still is. Statistics don't
seem to support his theory. Can't imagine how a FIFO worker would feel with this information.
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Old 14th Feb 2013, 03:21
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Dick is right .The article explains the realities of our unavoidable connection with the wide world.Just because i say so doesnt make it such of course .Ive had a commercial since 1967 and have seen the whole spectrum world wide .Im still flying a turbo prop for a low cost regional operator, having previously flown large jets on long haul operations.We could have a shoe industry or make clothes in Australia but would you really want to pay twice as much .The people who did had to face harsh realities after the propping up they received finally ceased.There are very few people who dont search for the cheapest convenient fair or the best value for money shirt or shoe, if they are paying for it themselves. Unfortuanately that is the way it is despite the hypocrisy preached.Competition is with us and like King Canute you cant turn the tide back you have to adjust
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Old 14th Feb 2013, 06:39
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True Greg, but ever since Keating brought in the level playing field, most of the stuff is crap. The MIA has lost most of the fruit farms, Fruit that was disease free, now you have to go thru the stuff in the supermarket to find anything grown here. Ditto Pork (Canada) They are allowing Beef back in for the first time since Mad Cow disease took hold, the paddocks are full of cattle why do we need to import? Anything you buy now lasts six months, before it either breaks or falls apart, and if you follow the instructions to put anything together you have to consult the six year old next door who can read Chinglish. Remember when shoes lasted, so did washing machines, stoves (now they rust as well) and a T shirt last about four washes then it looks like a duster. Its called progress. Why should Aviation be any different. At least Katter could see what a bunch of useless bastards the present Govt is, which is more than you can say about those other two self serving A$#@holes Windsor and Oakeshott.
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Old 14th Feb 2013, 06:52
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Why is our industry different? Because it helps support our country in times of crisis and war.
To be fair, there are many industries that do the same in times of crisis or war.
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Old 14th Feb 2013, 11:19
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But T.G., along with illegal immigrants from questionable backgrounds, it's a Fabians wet dream.
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Old 14th Feb 2013, 11:29
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Yeah TG, but Windsor could also see what a self serving a$#@hole Abbott will be.

I was out tinkering in the shed the day Rudd was knifed, tinkering about listening to parliament on the radio (regular ABC must have had the VFL or Abbo talk on or some such rubbish) ........ Anyway I listened to the Man in the Hat describe the ludicrous state of milk production in the country, and how 1000's of litres are trucked from the South to the North, and it occurred to me how utterly stupid this was (I don't know how true it all, was, assume Katter knows a thing or two 'Rural' though)

It was a good speach, I always thought the guy a loon......he's grown on me in sentiment, and policy, just needs some refinement
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Old 14th Feb 2013, 23:55
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And he has such nice people in his party too, I especially like their policies on who should teach our kids
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 00:26
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Fleigenmong, if you knew the history of Windsor and his relationship with Abbott, you would have considered not making that remark. Windsor's history is well known, feel free to support him, I wouldn't. As for Katter, I like him, but not as a PM. They country is stuffed at the present time, with a bunch of morons "running" it. It is a democracy (at the present time) so we can all voice our opinion on Sept 14, should it last that long.
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 02:49
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we are just casting our opinions of course.What i like is you have a choice.Remember if your old enough the old PMG(TG) which became Telstra when you could have a phone of any colour as long as it was black.How long would you wait for a new service.Now they would be around the next day.As for Abbott well look at the traction he has got exposing all that incompetence,then bringing down Rudd.The damage hes done to the labour product.As for our man Katter,hes a spoiler who will dilute the liberal vote it plays into labours hands,they would be rubbing there hands in glee ,he would come to a letter opening ,hes just a simplistic populist like our Pauline who Howard let just run out of steam ,as joe blow eventually saw what they were .Not like the scary fringe groups in Europe they tried to shut down which just fuelled the fire for 20 years.I like the nun who saw some trendy art exibition of a replication of the crucified Jesus(we dont have to include peace be upon him) in a glass case of human urine .Her comments were that poor artist that poor man he needs help so badly.And as for Windsor Abbott has his measure.We wont see him and his buddy Oakeshot after the next election.They would be as poular in there electorate with as much chance as that poor victim of a right wing conspiracy Craig Thompson.
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 03:39
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Yes, Greg, a interesting year for us all. And Aviation is right in the mix, what we would do to have Xenophon the boss. He seems to really nail it on the head, and actually acknowledges that the Pilots and Engineers are not necessary scumbags that live only to make more money, and deplete the airlines of theirs. This is going to be a great year for popcorn and a comfortable chair.
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Old 15th Feb 2013, 12:38
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,hes just a simplistic populist like our Pauline
Hmmm, populist, I have often wondered about this term, doesn't that mean that something is popular?? I don't know, I am only a dumb LAME, but I would have thought that if it was popular, then the majority of people think that it is the way to go. Isn't that what we call a democracy?? Whether some people think something should not happen because they dont like it, or it is not politically correct ( the most likely reason) I would have thought the majority rules....... in a democracy. Dunno, just thinking out loud.
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Old 16th Feb 2013, 04:36
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I'm with you Arnold
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Old 21st Feb 2013, 08:24
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yes TG Xenophon i do like like him .He does hit the nail on the head
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