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Old 12th Feb 2013, 03:04
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Sure, as for others, who cares?....... Remember when it used to cost $400 each way ml-sy? Remember why? You'll care then, moron!
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Part of aviation mythology according to Brett Godfrey and Richard B is that it always cost $400 to go ML-SY. Well, yes it did..if you paid for a full economy interchangable and fully transfereable fare. And that was the return fare!

You could always, always, get a much cheaper seat with conditions and limitations.

Them's the facts. The rest is marketing.

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Old 12th Feb 2013, 04:28
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"Who cares"???

I'm sure the thousands of workers who are employed by Virgin and Tiger care, they are after Australians who hold jobs.
While the majority of these airlines are not majority owned there are many Australian shareholders.Why should the minority overseas shareholders in QF be given protection while the minority Australian VA shareholders get wiped out.

I am all for protecting and maximizing Australian jobs but Bob's idea is way too simplistic.
He might like to look into the rights given to all those foreign Airlines which operate across the Tasman.

I love all this touchy, freely bullsh1t about heritage, stage coaches,steam trains and flying boats are all part of our heritage but they too left the scene when they were no longer viable.

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Old 12th Feb 2013, 04:44
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Well said Tangan! I Just wish Pprune had a like button

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Old 12th Feb 2013, 05:06
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Guys and Girls, do remember that this bill being introduced by Bob Katter is so far a DRAFT to be debated to flesh out exactly the issues people here are bringing up. (AS is my understand of such things, I stand to be corrected as i'm not particularly savvy on how such bills come into being and are finally approved!)

As it stands, and as mentioned, Virgin and Tiger would be in some trouble, but I'm sure that Bob Katter wouldn't want to be the person who got all the Australian Staff working for them fired because they could no longer operate under the laws he is looking to introduce and as such would certainly be looking at the best way to make it work. Thusly why they debate such things and discuss and/or argue over the effects it would have.

Perhaps some of us are a bit quick off the hip by blasting this as being a bad idea when it really is still a work in progress.
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 05:21
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Oops, I've upset the masses!!
Funny about $400 airfares one way, so you reckon we don't have that now? Sure, we have u beaut JQ Avalon to Hammo Island for $69 during winter and around the same price will get you a Tiger ticket from Melbourne to the Sunshine Coast, but try jagging a decent cheap Brisbane Perth flight, or say Cairns to Mackay or frigging Sydney to Hobart - Extortion! And Qantas Link is one of the worst offenders. However be that as it may, Tiger/Virgin/Jetstar, could all disappear and life would go on, same ol same ol, but if QF disappeared it would leave a gap in the Australian heritage whether people liked it or not.

Again I am talking about history and heritage, not service or fair prices. Katter is trying to protect that.
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 06:11
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Originally Posted by my oleo is extended
Well, Qantas is part of Australia's heritage and history and is as endeared as Vegemite and the Opera House.
Pretty sure Vegemite is owned by an American company......
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 06:37
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After all the typical one liners from Katter quoted in the AFR, here is what the now watered down bill proposal came out like...


Guys and Girls, do remember that this bill being introduced by Bob Katter is so far a DRAFT to be debated to flesh out exactly the issues people here are bringing up. (AS is my understand of such things, I stand to be corrected as i'm not particularly savvy on how such bills come into being and are finally approved!)
Fair comment, but I also agree with tangan,

I am all for protecting and maximizing Australian jobs but Bob's idea is way too simplistic.
He might like to look into the rights given to all those foreign Airlines which operate across the Tasman.
I wonder if the proposed QFA/ANZ alliance was allowed to proceed a few years back, things may have been much better today for all concerned.. for me the ACCC made a big mistake back then, they did not predict the rise of EK , or more like, didn't understand it.

For all Katters weakness's on the above bill, at least his heart is in the right place, along with the only other politician in the country interested, Nick X...
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 09:21
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The current mob aren't much too get excited about, and the likes of AJ & LC will be ever so pleased to see September 15 roll about, TA's bunch possibly hate hard working tax paying white Australian born and bred males more than the ALP do!!! Let's wait and see how much come their time to fiddle with IR.

'The Man in the Hat' allows me to vote for someone other than the main two parties of @rse clowns!
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 09:45
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So Katter wants to immediately shutdown Virgin, Tiger and Rex, as well as grounding a fair chunk of Jetstar.

Create a monopoly for that fatcat board.... Just look at our airports, I am sure they will turn around and increase services and lower prices.

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Old 12th Feb 2013, 10:58
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Goat Whisperer,
Thank you for the 'suck eggs' reply. Virgin, Tiger et.al. are foreign owned?? Who'd have thunk it!!
I'm pretty sure the Bill makes no single mention whatsoever about ownership, just where maintenance is carried out. If Virgin/Tiger etc want to operate here perhaps they might outsource that maintenance locally?? Heaven forbid!
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 14:12
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Went to a Dick Smith store today to look at a Microsoft Surface tablet.
They didn't have one in the shop - should have asked for peanut butter.

Remember DS in CASA.......

Bob Katter saving aviation????
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 16:49
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My Oleo,

It is quite clear that you have your head up your azz! So if all airlines (except Qantas) closed shop, then according to you it's no big deal and life will go on. Do you think that it would be any different if Qantas folded? Let me tell you, life will still go on if this was to happen, like life went on in the USA when their treasured Pan Am folded, along with other countless airlines around the world.

To suggest it's ok for all other airlines in Australia to go bankrupt as long as Qantas remains so it doesn't create a "heritage gap" is completely idiotic. I don't want to see Qantas collapse, that would be a real shame. But they are a company and if they can't remain profitable then they will be history like so many other great airlines. I am pretty sure that we can all live with the "heritage gap".

On a side note, both Virgin and Tiger perform their maintenance in Australia. It's Qanats that is off shoring all of their flying jobs and maintenance. I think you will also find that although a company like Virgin isn't majority Australian owned, they are still creating many jobs for Australians (when is the last time Qantas recruited flight crew or engineers) and are even going as far as to integrate their pilots at Pacific Blue with the pilots at Virign Australia. Lets see your beloved Qantas do the same with their Jet Connect and mainline crew. I'm sure that will happen when hell feezes over!

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Old 12th Feb 2013, 19:08
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Bob Katter is a loose cannon and has achieved nothing of note in his entire political "career" except for some brief entertainment value and offending as many people as possible.
He only exists because the retirees want to hold on to a past which is much better in their memories than it actually was to live in.
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 20:59
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Hey Bob! If you want everything Australian then should`nt we be flying only Aussie Jets maintained by only Aussie staff and spare parts sourced locally from our friends at Bankstown. Hang on... Boeing are all American and Airbus`s French, that would leave our Aussie airlines with how many aircraft in the fleet? I will bet my left one that even the mic that Mr Bob spewed this nonsense into was made in China. Mr Bob and the big Dick Smith belong in the same basket. Put your political a genders behind you and get real gentleman!!
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Old 12th Feb 2013, 22:24
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Went to a Dick Smith store today to look at a Microsoft Surface tablet.
They didn't have one in the shop - should have asked for peanut butter.

Remember DS in CASA.......
Great point, Dick also supported QF management around the time leading up to the grounding in the press......

Bob Katter saving aviation????
Yeah, he is a loose cannon, and what he is saying won't come to much but as I said before, his heart is in the right place.. I suppose we all just right him off along with Nick X

I just find it so sad that in 2013 we see what we as a nation were once proud of, (Qantas & OZ aviation) is now uncool... and it is OK to sell the farm to the cheapest bidder... and somehow expected to feel good about it..

In this clip, a great piece from a Alan Freeman SYD ATC who seems to be proud to share a bit of Australian aviation history (nothing to do with Katter but at a distance, related)



As an aside, DS stores where sold to a private equity firm by Dicks mates, Woolworths who couldn't make it work anymore.
Woolworths finds buyer for Dick Smith

Anchorage Capital Partners Pty | NZVCA - New Zealand Venture Capital Association - Private Equity New Zealand, Venture Capital New Zealand, Company NZ, Finance New Zealand

Par for the course these days I guess..

For this reason, I think some on here have been a little harsh on My Oleo..... he is entitled to his view...

standing by for incoming...

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Old 13th Feb 2013, 00:20
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The old saying 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions' was coined for situations exactly like this.

Companies are in business to make money no matter where the majority of shareholders hale from. As a nation we need to assess what we are prepared to pay for. If we want Australian airlines to employ locally there will be some costs attached but I'm sure people employed in other industries would be up in arms if their jobs were offshored like ours.

Aviation lends itself to offshoring but if you follow the logic there is no reason that all our TV shouldn't be produced in New Zealand by staff employed in New Zealand. That would keep the costs lower.

What about higher education. I'll employ my lectures in New Zealand and avoid paying super. They can do most of their teaching on line and I'll fly them over the ditch a couple of times a semester for lectures.
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Old 13th Feb 2013, 00:27
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Originally Posted by Roger Greendeck
Companies are in business to make money no matter where the majority of shareholders hale from. As a nation we need to assess what we are prepared to pay for. If we want Australian airlines to employ locally there will be some costs attached but I'm sure people employed in other industries would be up in arms if their jobs were offshored like ours.
Companies are outsourcing their IT and callcentre jobs overseas all the time, engineers are being flown in from overseas whilst thousands of willing graduates are waiting unemployed in the sidelines, virtually all of our manufacturing is done in China - pilots are not special snowflakes in this respect. If those industries are up in arms then either no one is listening, no one cares, or no one wants to pay extra to employ locals.

We don't need protectionism in our economy but we do need something.

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Old 13th Feb 2013, 00:55
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Read of section 3 "The Globalisation Disaster" (page 29+) in the paper Perfect Storm by Tullet Prebon, a London wholesale broker (read insiders), not retail. It canvases many of these issues, as faced by the UK, but also the West more generally, and the likely outcome of these policies.
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Sure it might be hard getting the 51% australia ownership thing across (I dont care if the 51% australian ownership didnt get accepted). But i still like (well i want) the idea of airlines being able to operate domestically in Australia must have air crew based in Australia and have 80% maintenance done in Australia to get through parliament. That can only be a step in the right direction for saving Australian jobs in the aviation industry. It will give us airline employee's much more job security. Just as a LAME at Qantas it will save a lot of our jobs if this got introduced especially when the 787 eventually arrives to Qantas.

I would like the government to make it harder for 457 visa workers to get jobs in the aviation industry in Australia too.
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