QF Ops DXB-LHR
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BA have for years done that down to SYD (and before also to BNE, MEL, PER) from SIN.
ie LHR-SIN (4 crew, 48 hours off)
SIN-SYD (2 crew, ~34 hours off)
SYD-SIN (2 crew, 48 hours off)
SIN-LHR (4 crew)
Maybe it's time to look at those agreements. Better to do that and maybe keep the LHR leg in-house, surely?
ie LHR-SIN (4 crew, 48 hours off)
SIN-SYD (2 crew, ~34 hours off)
SYD-SIN (2 crew, 48 hours off)
SIN-LHR (4 crew)
Maybe it's time to look at those agreements. Better to do that and maybe keep the LHR leg in-house, surely?
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I can't see the difference between the mooted DXB-LHR patterns and the current SYD-LAX-JFK which is operated two pilot to JFK unless a SO may be operationally required.
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Under current scheduling rules, the above rumoured pattern is not permitted.
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I can't see the difference between the mooted DXB-LHR patterns and the current SYD-LAX-JFK which is operated two pilot to JFK unless a SO may be operationally required.
There seems to be an opinion that the reference to "asian slip" will extend to operations to and from Dubai from LHR. Last time I looked on a map Dubai wasn't in Asia, I think it's a long bow to be drawn to use with this operation.
My bet, 48h Dubai,36h LHR, 48h Dubai. Crewed 4/2/4.
Unless there is a Dubai basing opening up!
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Last time I looked on a map Dubai wasn't in Asia
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia
But so do some other sources
http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/Asia
http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/as.htm
Just don't ask the UN - they say it is in Asia as well
http://esa.un.org/unpd/wup/CD-ROM_2009/WPP2009_DEFINITION_OF_MAJOR_AREAS_AND_REGIONS.pdf
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Its being contemplated for Cabin Crew using a portion of the current LHR CC base.
Potentially I wouldn't be surprised to see London crew depart LHR about 9 pm, arrive Dubai about 7am next morning, Depart Dubai 2am that night after about a 14 hour slip and be LHR 6am.
Oz crew Arvo departure, arrive dubai midnight, 34 hrs slip depart 10am following day, arrive back in oz 6am next day. S/o's on the same Pattern.
Just my guess.
I don't think there will be a need for a CC basing.
My understanding is that it's hard enough now....
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After Oz-Gulf, 24 hour slip this sector might well be very tough
get decent rest breaks in flight like other airlines use and the trip will be more than manageable.
It'll only be tough if certain senior dinosaurs continue with their "maximum of 2 hrs in the control seat" policy. get decent rest breaks in flight like other airlines use and the trip will be more than manageable.
Say no.
If that doesnt work, tell them to get f*&ked.
Go fatigued...then report
Are you saying that QF don't have in their OM-A (or whatever they call it in Aus) an approved rest policy for ULR pairings, including pre/post flight rest strategy suggestions.?
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Fatigue is independent of your recent work history; it is a short-term phenomena. If some ****, regardless of rank, is mandating a patently unsafe or sub-optimum rest roster it should be voted down by the rest of the crew.
Nobody gets a vote for less safe in my plane, not even me.
Nobody gets a vote for less safe in my plane, not even me.
Second-hand, but still credible information suggests it will be 2 pilot DXB-LHR-DXB unless operational requirements such as Flight time limitations, particularly 30/7, or weather require 3.
The London slips will remain unchanged, with one being 38 hours and one 62 hours to provide "standby" coverage in case of disruptions. At present the patterns starting and finishing in Melbourne have the longer slip in LHR, but that may change as those patterns will have an overnight in Melbourne before and after DXB operation making it an 11 or 12 day pattern.
The London slips will remain unchanged, with one being 38 hours and one 62 hours to provide "standby" coverage in case of disruptions. At present the patterns starting and finishing in Melbourne have the longer slip in LHR, but that may change as those patterns will have an overnight in Melbourne before and after DXB operation making it an 11 or 12 day pattern.
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At present the patterns starting and finishing in Melbourne have the longer slip in LHR, but that may change as those patterns will have an overnight in Melbourne before and after DXB operation making it an 11 or 12 day pattern.
Maybe we need a Melbourne base!
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London trips used to be 12 days .. Frankfurt trips 14 ... Back to the future.
I can't see 2 pilot being the go though.
However, it will become clear in a couple of weeks ....
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I can't see 2 pilot being the go though.
- You cannot do 2 pilot LHR-DXB after a 39 hr slip - Sched rules would need to be changed for that to happen
- DXB-LHR up to 8.30 blocks - 10 hr duty. Very little leeway before duty extension needed - and certainly, where you land you stay - no ability to continue to destination.
However, it will become clear in a couple of weeks ....
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