QF pilots and management pow-wow
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You’re too close to the truth Zapata
The pilots convincing rejection of LHEBA8 made it very clear to QF management that far reaching democratically agreed productivity was not going to be achievable in the time they had to rescue QFs Asia/Europe operations from unfettered foreign competition the government had unleashed upon Australia.
That management then embarked on the transformation afoot in the mistaken belief that taking the workforce with it wasn’t necessary, has got us where we are today.
Unfortunately, where to from here, is probably no longer in the hands of the management and the unions. Qantas has become swept up into Middle Eastern/Chinese global competition to control US air traffic from tomorrow's centres of production. Regretfully no way back, other than renationalising Qantas. Something no government is likely to do.
Root clause – Federal Government’s decision to expose a tiny nation of 22M people and its national airline to global open skies.
Way forward I suspect, is embracing mutually agreed change to make sure Qantas International can continue profitable operations to North America, South America, South Africa and Japan. Expect Europe and probably Asia isn’t/ won’t be profitable for Qantas (as we know it) for much longer.
Bloody sad, but we get the leadership we vote for.
The pilots convincing rejection of LHEBA8 made it very clear to QF management that far reaching democratically agreed productivity was not going to be achievable in the time they had to rescue QFs Asia/Europe operations from unfettered foreign competition the government had unleashed upon Australia.
That management then embarked on the transformation afoot in the mistaken belief that taking the workforce with it wasn’t necessary, has got us where we are today.
Unfortunately, where to from here, is probably no longer in the hands of the management and the unions. Qantas has become swept up into Middle Eastern/Chinese global competition to control US air traffic from tomorrow's centres of production. Regretfully no way back, other than renationalising Qantas. Something no government is likely to do.
Root clause – Federal Government’s decision to expose a tiny nation of 22M people and its national airline to global open skies.
Way forward I suspect, is embracing mutually agreed change to make sure Qantas International can continue profitable operations to North America, South America, South Africa and Japan. Expect Europe and probably Asia isn’t/ won’t be profitable for Qantas (as we know it) for much longer.
Bloody sad, but we get the leadership we vote for.
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ZB,
You could not be more wrong - reality was the reverse. I find your ill-informed hatred of QF mainline pilots tiresome. Your tune never changes.
Gingerbread,
You seem to have your history screwed up. Nice story, but pity about the facts. (hint - EBA 8 came looonnnggg after the current management course of action was in place. It was rejected for vastly different reasons to what you allude).
The reality?
GD made noises about negotiating Jetstar flying after EBA 7 was finalised, but never had any intention of talking, despite AIPA's willingness and demonstrated flexibility with the AO contract. Once EBA 7 was passed, GD announced a done deal excluding Mainline pilots.
N
You could not be more wrong - reality was the reverse. I find your ill-informed hatred of QF mainline pilots tiresome. Your tune never changes.
Gingerbread,
You seem to have your history screwed up. Nice story, but pity about the facts. (hint - EBA 8 came looonnnggg after the current management course of action was in place. It was rejected for vastly different reasons to what you allude).
The reality?
GD made noises about negotiating Jetstar flying after EBA 7 was finalised, but never had any intention of talking, despite AIPA's willingness and demonstrated flexibility with the AO contract. Once EBA 7 was passed, GD announced a done deal excluding Mainline pilots.
N
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ZB,
You conveniently left out a few salient words in your quote...
QF: "we need to change the way we do things. We need to cut labor and we need to lower everyone but management's salaries if we are going to compete in a changing market place."
LD
You conveniently left out a few salient words in your quote...
QF: "we need to change the way we do things. We need to cut labor and we need to lower everyone but management's salaries if we are going to compete in a changing market place."
LD
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That's exactly the point ZB!
An effective management doesn't conduct IR based on what happened ten or even five years ago. That time span may well be fifty years for its relevance to the current situation. Your statement typifies the elephant in the process... the old grudges dare not be let go of, especially if they can be used to manipulate the outcomes.
AIPA have arguably run an extremely professional and surprisingly conciliatory evidence based campaign with the long term interests of the pilots tied to the long term growth of the company for some years now. One which had paid token attention to any wage rise considerations beyong CPI and which has focused almost solely on efficiencies and fairness.
Yet, even at the sacrifice of potential profit and the share price, management have remained largely inexorable throughout. Their goals didn't take these into consideration as they were working to alternative and now more obvious strategies.
So, troll or no troll, you really hit the nail on the head.
LD
An effective management doesn't conduct IR based on what happened ten or even five years ago. That time span may well be fifty years for its relevance to the current situation. Your statement typifies the elephant in the process... the old grudges dare not be let go of, especially if they can be used to manipulate the outcomes.
AIPA have arguably run an extremely professional and surprisingly conciliatory evidence based campaign with the long term interests of the pilots tied to the long term growth of the company for some years now. One which had paid token attention to any wage rise considerations beyong CPI and which has focused almost solely on efficiencies and fairness.
Yet, even at the sacrifice of potential profit and the share price, management have remained largely inexorable throughout. Their goals didn't take these into consideration as they were working to alternative and now more obvious strategies.
So, troll or no troll, you really hit the nail on the head.
LD
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