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Old 18th Apr 2016, 01:34
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Have the powers that be figured out how they are doing this yet? Would taking the most senior cadets be possible (as they would be captains/C&Ts now?) or will they take people from across the board to try and balance things?
As far as anyone knows, they're still working that out. They appear to be getting closer to a solution and a process, according to the latest phone info session from last week.

What I have heard (another rumour of course) is that ALL eligible cadets will be given mainline seniority numbers (based on previous seniority) before any are placed into mainline. So a senior Qlink Captain placed into mainline in December this year wouldn't be junior to a junior Qlink FO placed into mainline in August. Again, another rumour, but seems to be a fair system to me (I'm not a cadet).

hestonfysh to clarify Going Nowhere if I may...

If you join with minimum hours it is extremely unlikely you'd be a Captain in three years. If you joined with 1900 hours and an ATPL it would be unlikely but certainly possible that you could be a Captain within three years.

Once you're a Captain, then the 55% rate isn't applicable. You'd be paid as a "x-year" Captain on the relevant EBA scale.

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Old 18th Apr 2016, 03:41
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What I have heard (another rumour of course) is that ALL eligible cadets will be given mainline seniority numbers (based on previous seniority) before any are placed into mainline. So a senior Qlink Captain placed into mainline in December this year wouldn't be junior to a junior Qlink FO placed into mainline in August. Again, another rumour, but seems to be a fair system to me (I'm not a cadet).
Seems like a very sensible solution to keep all parties happy, which makes the rumour seem unlikely

Thanks for the info Di_Vosh!
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Old 18th Apr 2016, 04:09
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I wouldn't count on that many Sunstate guys and girls wanting to go to EK. A lot came to Sunstate for the lifestyle, and even though that has all but gone they definitely don't see living in Dubai as an improvement.

Unless they're keeping it quiet I couldn't even think of 10 people who'd want to go.
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Old 18th Apr 2016, 06:14
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Same Fonz,

60 would be close to 25% of the list. Given the top 50 odd are 'lifers', I don't see how 60 others would be interested.

Dubai ain't for everybody
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Old 19th Apr 2016, 04:48
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I wouldn't count on that many Sunstate guys and girls wanting to go to EK. A lot came to Sunstate for the lifestyle, and even though that has all but gone they definitely don't see living in Dubai as an improvement.

Unless they're keeping it quiet I couldn't even think of 10 people who'd want to go.
Fonz there is 9 guys in Cairns alone that are going.
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Old 19th Apr 2016, 04:52
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Can I take their job in Cairns.....please?
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Old 19th Apr 2016, 06:04
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Me too

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Old 19th Apr 2016, 10:55
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DEC's won't happen, theres been the odd one or two here and there over the years but no mass recruitment, they might threaten it but won't do it. They would at least have to go through he CRP as do the current FO applicants. Theres also still quite a bit of experience in the FO ranks, even after you take out the cadets, if they actually go.

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Old 19th Apr 2016, 15:14
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Old 20th Apr 2016, 09:26
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You'll get crotch rot in Cairns
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Old 21st Apr 2016, 05:22
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Sorry.........

You'll get scrote rot in Cairns (is that better?)
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Old 21st Apr 2016, 06:02
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Cairns is a great place. Reef, rainforest, short drive to work, great ATC, friendly locals and good amenities. Yeah gets a little hot at times and no surf but hey.........???
Oh, and a good sexual health clinic to fix your crotch rot Porter at North Cairns community health. All free even if you don't have a Medicare card.
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 09:15
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Craven........you don't get crotch (scrote) rot from rooting
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 10:37
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Porter I have it on good authority that they treat lots of Crotch rot and can recommend Myconazol as the best stuff to use
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Old 22nd Apr 2016, 13:40
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I think I'll just scratch it
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Old 23rd Apr 2016, 02:26
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What I have heard (another rumour of course) is that ALL eligible cadets will be given mainline seniority numbers (based on previous seniority) before any are placed into mainline. So a senior Qlink Captain placed into mainline in December this year wouldn't be junior to a junior Qlink FO placed into mainline in August. Again, another rumour, but seems to be a fair system to me (I'm not a cadet).
I think this scenario is highly unlikely. Reserved mainline seniority numbers for guys not yet employed in mainline was tried before (LOA161) and led to a lot of anguish. The policy was eventually thrown out a few EBA's ago. There is very little appetite amongst the company or AIPA to go down that path again.

Expect your seniority number to be directly linked to your start date.

If QF and QL can agree to release the cadets in their previous order then that would be one way of controlling their resultant seniority numbers. I don't see any other way allowed for in the EBA.
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Old 23rd Apr 2016, 04:28
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BB. All eligible cadets could be employed as at a single date, say, 1 June or whatever, then immediately put on LWOP. The cadets seniority numbers would be based on the course they attended and in what order they graduated. This would solve the seniority issue, even if some of the more ‘senior’ cadets where not released to mainline before some more ‘junior’ ones. Presumably the LOI holders could be included in this scenario as well.
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Old 23rd Apr 2016, 05:37
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The simple solution is to take them in the order that they were awarded the cadetship in the first place, no one will want to hang around Qlink after it starts anyway. Qlink have to man up and realise that crew turnover and training a part of being in this industry and the fact is, after 10 or so years, most are ready to move on. Opportunities abound worldwide for the willing and I don't see that changing any time soon.

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Old 23rd Apr 2016, 12:40
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. I think this scenario is highly unlikely. Reserved mainline seniority numbers for guys not yet employed in mainline was tried before (LOA161) and led to a lot of anguish.
I disagree. It's happened previously without any issues. If you look at the start dates for seniority numbers from about 785- 825 you'll find a whole host of different start dates. The seniority numbers were blocked out for Regional pilots as part of a settlemeant for a course case they'd brought against Auatralian Airlines. I think they started in seniority order from the regionals but when they started was up to the regional and when they could be released.

Similarly, there are 4 seniority numbers from 740-780 that have start dates out of sequence. These were ex cadets who were not released by their employers when Qantas came calling. In each case Qabtas honoured the provision that said seniority was on graduation order.

The same rule can apply here. Course graduation order of cadets and then order within courses can see those numbers blocked aside now. If the reason they don't start is because the Qantas owned regional tells mainline that they'll struggle for trainers, or whatever if they do then I have no problems blocking that number for them when they do start.

In fact, I can't think why it would be an issue at all? Qantas has essentially said we'll take you and this is your start date but it's more important for the group if you stick in your current role for another few months.
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Old 23rd Apr 2016, 22:01
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And....

The QF A330 fleet has, I believe, numerous S/Os who were nominally brought in on a Friday for a "start date" and then joined additional A380/747 recruits on the Monday for the remainder of the induction process. They are senior to the Monday joiners forever, and the step was supposedly taken to get the "right candidate" on the right fleets without them being perpetually on the bottom of the seniority list after they lost the "day one lottery".
That's the rumour anyway...
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