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Will be interesting how shifty Joice will get around the condition the ACCC has put on the merger regarding the Trans Tasman flights between the two companies.
I see also that RS has had a little speech to the Press pretty much justifying his/their role to keep the bastards honest, maybe his conscience is giving him some trouble! Have a peek at the Govt Speeches link, gee it's a dirty business!
The ACCC, a Govt/QF run organization.....cough cough cough
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I see also that RS has had a little speech to the Press pretty much justifying his/their role to keep the bastards honest, maybe his conscience is giving him some trouble! Have a peek at the Govt Speeches link, gee it's a dirty business!
The ACCC, a Govt/QF run organization.....cough cough cough
Wmk2
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No such reluctance about going for the jugular on Plane Talking this morning.
ACCC didn't give Qantas-Emirates deal a ringing endorsement | Plane Talking
What getz me is how the daily media pussy foot around the bleeding obvious at times.
I'm keen to support Qantas but it seems to do everything possible to make me choose a different airline when family members to Europe or Asia, including a daughter who has to fly to Asia around six times a year. I've taken to Virgin for the few Australia flights I do, but some of us fly a lot, and Qantas has just lost the plot.
ACCC didn't give Qantas-Emirates deal a ringing endorsement | Plane Talking
What getz me is how the daily media pussy foot around the bleeding obvious at times.
I'm keen to support Qantas but it seems to do everything possible to make me choose a different airline when family members to Europe or Asia, including a daughter who has to fly to Asia around six times a year. I've taken to Virgin for the few Australia flights I do, but some of us fly a lot, and Qantas has just lost the plot.
Which raises the expectations of Qantas from the Emirates partnership, in that they obviously expect that existing Qantas customers will dutifully accept flying in Emirates jets. As in Qantas, We are the reason you fly Emirates.
The fact is that Emirates has already won very strong customer loyalty in Australia, and in its A380s, has product that makes the Qantas A380 alternative look unexceptional. The Emirates 777s are another matter, being great aircraft rather tightly configured, although Emirates may revise those configurations and has already let slip that it will improve its 777 business class offering.
The risk is that those Qantas customers that haven’t already defected to Emirates are probably not going to revisit their choices once Qantas dumps them if they fly to Europe from Brisbane, Perth or Adelaide, but will take their business somewhere else, such as to Singapore Airlines, Etihad or Cathay Pacific.
Those Qantas customers that are exposed to an Emirates A380 may well choose Emirates over Qantas in the future, given that both frequent flyer programs are very good, and have good crossovers. Those Qantas customers who change flights to an Emirates service to say, Manchester or Hamburg, in Dubai, would have an incentive to choose to fly all the way on Emirates the next time, since it will be more convenient to do so in most circumstances.
These risks or considerations are reason to query just where the Qantas-Emirates partnership will take Qantas, but as the ACCC determination makes clear, these were not matters it had to consider under its charter.
It is there to make sure Australians enjoy competitive choice. It isn’t there to stop Qantas imploding on routes to the UK and Europe.
The fact is that Emirates has already won very strong customer loyalty in Australia, and in its A380s, has product that makes the Qantas A380 alternative look unexceptional. The Emirates 777s are another matter, being great aircraft rather tightly configured, although Emirates may revise those configurations and has already let slip that it will improve its 777 business class offering.
The risk is that those Qantas customers that haven’t already defected to Emirates are probably not going to revisit their choices once Qantas dumps them if they fly to Europe from Brisbane, Perth or Adelaide, but will take their business somewhere else, such as to Singapore Airlines, Etihad or Cathay Pacific.
Those Qantas customers that are exposed to an Emirates A380 may well choose Emirates over Qantas in the future, given that both frequent flyer programs are very good, and have good crossovers. Those Qantas customers who change flights to an Emirates service to say, Manchester or Hamburg, in Dubai, would have an incentive to choose to fly all the way on Emirates the next time, since it will be more convenient to do so in most circumstances.
These risks or considerations are reason to query just where the Qantas-Emirates partnership will take Qantas, but as the ACCC determination makes clear, these were not matters it had to consider under its charter.
It is there to make sure Australians enjoy competitive choice. It isn’t there to stop Qantas imploding on routes to the UK and Europe.
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The last sentence..
It is there to make sure Australians enjoy competitive choice. It isn’t there to stop Qantas imploding on routes to the UK and Europe.
Hmmmmmmm
It is there to make sure Australians enjoy competitive choice. It isn’t there to stop Qantas imploding on routes to the UK and Europe.
Hmmmmmmm
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So all the QF job losses will be for what exactly?
loopholes
Qantas too has made substantial buybacks - $16 million in 2012 and $65 million the year before - wading into the market to buy shares for its executives at a time when it had been conserving capital and suspending dividends. my bold
Read more: Companies use loopholes to buy shares
Qantas too has made substantial buybacks - $16 million in 2012 and $65 million the year before - wading into the market to buy shares for its executives at a time when it had been conserving capital and suspending dividends. my bold
Read more: Companies use loopholes to buy shares
Many on here to their credit, have said this over and over again for some time now, good to see it finally recognised and out in the open but in the eyes of many, again they get away with the smoke & mirrors.
I understand Mr Sims got the Q lawyers jumping through hoops the past week making them resubmit many documents that were deemed light on facts. To be fair to Mr Sims, it is not in the ACCC's charter to pursue all the reasons why there where problems with the documents but I think many on here would have a pretty good idea what those problems may have been.....
"The ACCC has rejected Qantas' claims that in the future without the proposed conduct, it will cease all international services and operate a virtual network in the medium to long term," it said.
The regulator considered confidential board documents and route profitability data, as well as reports provided by Qantas from Boston Consulting and Oxford Economics.
The performance of Qantas's international operations have long been a point of contention in the war of words between Qantas boss Alan Joyce and trade unions and the federal independent senator Nick Xenophon.
In its report granting approval, the regulator accepted Qantas was likely to cut services to Europe with or without the Emirates alliance but said "in all other areas" of its international operations any disadvantages were likely to be offset by its grip on the domestic market and the loyalty of frequent flyers and corporates.
The ACCC considered that Qantas did not have the same advantage as airlines in the Middle East and Asia, such as lower labour costs.
"However, the ACCC does not accept that the extent of the labour cost disadvantage are of the degree described by [Qantas and Emirates] or in the Oxford Economics report," it said.
It also did not place any weight on Qantas' claims of "structural disadvantage" due to government ownership and different tax treatment for other international airlines.
"The ACCC considers that the net effect of these factors on Qantas is unclear and therefore has not placed any weight on these claims," it said.
The regulator considered confidential board documents and route profitability data, as well as reports provided by Qantas from Boston Consulting and Oxford Economics.
The performance of Qantas's international operations have long been a point of contention in the war of words between Qantas boss Alan Joyce and trade unions and the federal independent senator Nick Xenophon.
In its report granting approval, the regulator accepted Qantas was likely to cut services to Europe with or without the Emirates alliance but said "in all other areas" of its international operations any disadvantages were likely to be offset by its grip on the domestic market and the loyalty of frequent flyers and corporates.
The ACCC considered that Qantas did not have the same advantage as airlines in the Middle East and Asia, such as lower labour costs.
"However, the ACCC does not accept that the extent of the labour cost disadvantage are of the degree described by [Qantas and Emirates] or in the Oxford Economics report," it said.
It also did not place any weight on Qantas' claims of "structural disadvantage" due to government ownership and different tax treatment for other international airlines.
"The ACCC considers that the net effect of these factors on Qantas is unclear and therefore has not placed any weight on these claims," it said.
The 744 guys kept the flag flying with the usual minimum of fuss. Hope AJ LC & co remembers this now that they have got their way with the EK deal, Qantas was always home grown.. my tribute to the 744 guys...
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TIM -hmmm weren't they just doing there job?
but I did say
kept the flag flying with the usual minimum of fuss.
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particularity Aussies like the 744 guys who have served our country so well over the years
Don't disrespect every Defence Force member who actually does 'serve their country' by saying that the 744 pilots 'serve their country.'
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keeping the show on the road through those difficult times when the RB 211's started playing up
All we need now is a EK-QF Formation flypast. With Emirates in the lead of course.
Your not naive enough to believe that ADF members (who do a fantastic job BTW) do it solely for the country and none of it for themselves do you. Talk about give me strength. That's not to say you point ref the 744 pilots wasn't valid.
Your not naive enough to believe that ADF members (who do a fantastic job BTW) do it solely for the country and none of it for themselves do you. Talk about give me strength. That's not to say you point ref the 744 pilots wasn't valid.
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“Odds with sporting bet about the ACCC passing this deal as is”
That today’s decision actually states
In response to queries raised by the ACCC and some interested parties about the applicants’ related bodies corporate and related services sought to be covered by the authorisation, the applicants amended their applications to exclude the supply of catering and aircraft cleaning operations from the scope of the authorisation, and also confirmed that Jetstar Asia, Jetstar Japan, Jetstar HK, Jetstar Pacific and any related body corporate of Qantas in which Qantas holds 50% or less of the allotted share capital are excluded from the scope of the authorisation sought.
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Oops....... crack up...
wrong cut and paste 
should read "the profession,"
744 guys who have served the profession so well over the years
my apologies if I offended anyone in the military, not intended at all.
lol crack up 
....Derfred, love ya work too! 
served our country
should read "the profession," 744 guys who have served the profession so well over the years
by vfenext.... Ah yes I remember it well, the rationing and the air raid sirens. Those dreaded RB211's nearly done us in. Luckily the Aussie grit triumphed and we all lived to sing Advance Australia Fair another day. Tell the young people today about it and they just don't understand. Tea and medals for all!
....Derfred, love ya work too!
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That explains the ridiculous statement the minister made that Ben jumped on.
Who misled the Minister Albanese over Qantas-Emirates? | Plane Talking
Watching the doco on reporter murders in Russia a while back I think the sort of journos they kill are like Ben. Rude bastards that tell it like it is.
Who misled the Minister Albanese over Qantas-Emirates? | Plane Talking
The Flying Kangaroo has a special place in the heart of all Australians and this is good news for Australian travellers and the Australian economy.
The Qantas-Emirates alliance means that Qantas, the flying kangaroo invoked with such affection by the minister, has cut off Australians using Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth airports from using Qantas flights to London, and is instead trying to punt them onto Emirates flights.
Does the minister imagine that those travellers will not feel regret, in their hearts, that Qantas has dropped them from being able to fly all the way to London on Qantas aircraft?
Does the minister realise that when foreign business travellers now fly from their capitals in Europe or the UK to Perth, our resource capital, or Brisbane, the rising giant among eastern cities, or Adelaide, the defence capital of Australia, they-won’t-be-able-to-even-choose-to-fly Qantas?
Our national carrier wants them to fly Emirates, a national-carrier-of-the-UAE.
Could the Minister explain how making Qantas even smaller in the international market than it has already made itself this century, is actually going to make Australians value their iconic airline even more, even as it continues to disappear?
Does the minister imagine that those travellers will not feel regret, in their hearts, that Qantas has dropped them from being able to fly all the way to London on Qantas aircraft?
Does the minister realise that when foreign business travellers now fly from their capitals in Europe or the UK to Perth, our resource capital, or Brisbane, the rising giant among eastern cities, or Adelaide, the defence capital of Australia, they-won’t-be-able-to-even-choose-to-fly Qantas?
Our national carrier wants them to fly Emirates, a national-carrier-of-the-UAE.
Could the Minister explain how making Qantas even smaller in the international market than it has already made itself this century, is actually going to make Australians value their iconic airline even more, even as it continues to disappear?
Nunc est bibendum
Snafu, don't know who's going to be in the lead. Two ex Mirage drivers at the controls of the respective aeroplanes though.
If you're around the city on Sunday then enjoy the show.
I refuse to buy into the discussion that the celebration of Jesus' resurrection on Easter Sunday will also mark the 'resurrection' of the Qantas international business and brand. 
It is only three days until our inaugural flights to Dubai. To celebrate the launch, and our partnership with Emirates, we will be conducting a joint flyover of Sydney this Sunday with a Qantas and an Emirates A380. The aircraft will take off at approximately 9.20am and hold near Long Reef before passing over the Opera House at 10.30am.
Although events like this seem easy to arrange, there has been a lot of careful planning and preparation over many months to make this happen. The flyover is a great way to promote our partnership with Emirates to the world.
Although events like this seem easy to arrange, there has been a lot of careful planning and preparation over many months to make this happen. The flyover is a great way to promote our partnership with Emirates to the world.
I refuse to buy into the discussion that the celebration of Jesus' resurrection on Easter Sunday will also mark the 'resurrection' of the Qantas international business and brand.
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I refuse to buy into the discussion that the celebration of Jesus' resurrection on Easter Sunday will also mark the 'resurrection' of the Qantas international business and brand.
Alan chose to commence the tie-up on Easter Sunday for the greater world good. Given the Emirates airline and region is culturally associated with the Muslim faith (as demonstrated by the hysterical proclamations about the dangers of even transitting Dubai), Alan will soon be declaring that it was very important that the initial flights commence on such a Holy day in the Christian faith as a pre-cursor to World Peace!!
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Agree WirthWhat, is no reason Sporting Bets would pay out on
Yesterday’s decision has reduced the scope of what QF/EK can do and no undoubtedly put off for another day long term strategy underpinning today’s celebrations.
How much credit the ALAEA and Peter Somerville can take is not clear. However, that Qantas can now clip the price of its European tickets, add capacity in Asia and continue to rely on the Sale Act to protect its future interest in any QF/EK Joint Venture in Asia, will keep licenced engineers and their association in the game for many years yet.
I say again, well done Peter Somerville, et.al. You guys obviously saw what was on the radar. You should have been a pilot.
‘passing the deal as it was'
How much credit the ALAEA and Peter Somerville can take is not clear. However, that Qantas can now clip the price of its European tickets, add capacity in Asia and continue to rely on the Sale Act to protect its future interest in any QF/EK Joint Venture in Asia, will keep licenced engineers and their association in the game for many years yet.
I say again, well done Peter Somerville, et.al. You guys obviously saw what was on the radar. You should have been a pilot.
I don't think QF had much say in the start date. 1st April is the start of the EK Financial year. It just keeps EKs the paperwork tidy.
Seems like only a decade and a bit ago EK and QF codeshared. I flew to my interview in DXB on EK with a QF ticket. It seems the balance of power in the agreement might be a bit different this time though.
Farewell EK staff travel.
The Don
Seems like only a decade and a bit ago EK and QF codeshared. I flew to my interview in DXB on EK with a QF ticket. It seems the balance of power in the agreement might be a bit different this time though.
Farewell EK staff travel.
The Don