CASA Chess Game

[Creampuff]

I believe that there would be many cases out there where CASA operatives have assisted mates to the commercial detriment of another by using some spurious excuse for prosecution. I can identify one FOI who approached students and suggested they go to another school! No safety issues!

Then please identify the cases and the FOI, and provide the evidence on which your allegation is based:

As to it being the sole purpose? Hard to prove without ALL the facts. I think Ord River Air Charter may be one such case. When my matter is published you may change your mind on intent. apart from the Clinton McKenzie policy document there was no basis for prosecution, internal emails will reveal all! So that will be your one event I can prove. Just be patient.

I can’t wait.

Although I’ve been reading this stuff year after year after year after year after year after year, I’m still sitting on the edge of my seat – frozen in anticipation – waiting for the smoking gun. Do it soon (please) so I can relax and get back to programmed viewing.

[Algie]

"I believe that there would be many cases out there where CASA operatives have assisted mates to the commercial detriment of another by using some spurious excuse for prosecution. I can identify one FOI who approached students and suggested they go to another school! No safety issues! "

There is only one next step here. Only one.

CASA Industry Complaints Commissioner (ICC)

The ICC provides members of the industry, the wider aviation community and the public with an easy, accessible and effective way to make a complaint about the behaviour of CASA personnel, industry delegates and authorised persons;

[email protected]

Tel: 131757

If you have the smoking gun, whether physical evidence or you are prepared to make sworn statements, then you have to take it to this step. If that is not satisfactory then the Commonwealth Ombudsman next and then the Australian Federal Police.

Next, an obvious comment. Even if an inspector were found to have acted improperly it does not allow you to generalise about all inspectors. To impugn on or all without hard facts is the cowards way and invites questions about your own agenda.

Someone asked before on another forum whether a poster was in fact Kevin Rudd. Are you by any chance Tony Abbott? Or did you study at his School of Sledging?

[advo-cate]

casa and mates rate

Algie, If you believe in that, you will find pixies at the bottom of the garden.

The ICC Elizabeth Hampton reports to Adam Anastasi of casa's office legal counsel directly and is not independent.

Most of us have reported issues to find them brushed under the table or action taken against the reporter. The only protector we have is the Senate.

I have direct information of malfeasance at Bankstown by a FOI, reported it, and it was never independently investigated, which not only cost me money, but the FOI continues to undertake the malfeasance.

OK Algie

Go Senate.

[Frank Arouet]

The ICC was set up to create another hoop to jump through before you got access to The Commonwealth Ombudsman. There was only one ICC who did his job properly and he departed because he wasn't saying what CASA wanted him to say. Ask him, I'm sure he reads PPRune.

I don't know about pixi's but there are fairies in someones garden.

generalise about all inspectors

If you lie down with dogs you get fleas.

Are you by any chance Tony Abbott? Or did you study at his School of Sledging

Now there is a quote worth memorising for when Parliament rises next year.

[Sarcs]

If you go to page 4 of this very interesting document you'll see the section for "Industry Complaints Management" from Jan-June 2012:http://www.casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_asset...d/janjun12.pdf
On a rough count there was 25 complaints of which 23 were handled by the ICC, unfortunately the outcomes aren't listed.

[gobbledock]

Yes, yes, yes. Finally the topic of FOI's, flying schools, the ICC and it's structure and malfeasance is starting to eek out at the right time.
I have remained at a distance from this hot potato due to already being spotlighted, however this 'topic' is known within industry.
As for 'smoking guns', well I believe it is out there, all that remains is for the right person to produce the evidence. Hopefully it will happen.

Frank, you are correct. Only one person worthy of the ICC role existed. And yes, he bailed for interesting reasons. As for the current ICC in it's entirety - flush it with all the other crap!

Perhaps Flyingfiend would now like to pass a comment or two?

[Up-into-the-air]

casa and the pony poo trail!

Well Flying Fiend - Comment, or is it too close to the Throne???

[Algie]

"I have direct information of malfeasance at Bankstown by a FOI, reported it, and it was never independently investigated, which not only cost me money, but the FOI continues to undertake the malfeasance"


If you have direct evidence and the black helicopters from the CASA conspiracy are stopping you from having your direct evidence from being considered and the governments black helicopters have nobbled the Commonwealth Ombudsman then you should take your direct evidence to the Federal Police and if their black helicopters frighten you then send it to 60 minutes or Four Corners.

Or write to the Senate Committee and have your direct evidence tabled under Parliamentary Privilege with names dates and details.

I saw Capricorn One and I know how pervasive these folks are in stopping your direct evidence ever being found out but I do urge you to persist.

[gobbledock]

To busy to play?

I believe our robust friend Flyingfiend has either run out moves or is simply to scared to play the game any more. Perhaps he has joined an inner working group, along with his mentor in law and hocus pocus, and he no longer has time for us, his old friends, his former online playing friends?

It has been rumored that he has been very busy playing (all games are real!):
* Pass The Pigs
* Lawsuit
* Legal Decision
* Deception
* My Little Pony (pooh)
* Pony-opoly (

Pony Opoly Board Game: Amazon.co.uk: Toys & Games

Pony Opoly Board Game: Amazon.co.uk: Toys & Games

)
* Smoke and Mirrors
* Diplomacy
* Corruption
* Muppet Show Board Game (including the ATSB Beaker and his angry CASA friends Statler and Waldorf)
And the absolute best:
* Mystic Skull Mystic Skull: The Game of Voodoo | Board Game | BoardGameGeek

[Kharon]

Willyleaks : dateline YSCB.

Latest game for the 'GWM' – pass the ticking parcel and musical chairs, combined. Only robust veterans need apply.

Snakes and ladders is temporality suspended, awaiting the outcome of "scramble to music". Chopin; of course.

All eight minutes of it. Nah, just kiddin'.

[Fantome]

Ahh . . . . CAPRICORN ONE . . .. was there ever a movie that told so well
the power and the will to silence, to fabrication at it's most extreme?

'PERVERT!' called the Telly Savalas character more than once as the black helicopters tried to shoot him down in his Stearman. (Then of course closer to home there's 'pervert the course of . . .' )

Two outstanding American men of the air contributed to the film. Clay Lacy with his Lear and Frank Tallman who flew the battered old Stearman.

Pardon the lack of drift correction, captain.

[gobbledock]

Destination - YSPOOH

'K'. The ticking parcel is actually one of those parcels you leave on your neighbors doorstep (or on an FOI doorstep) and light it. The surprise is when they stamp it out, the parcel conceal's CASA 'best practise', and you end up with it all over your slippers (and Hawaiin shirt)!
As for the "GWM', oh my, they love to play with parcel's over there, plain brown paper parcels!

Oops, sorry to digress and drift, I am running the 'GAUNTlet" here, I know. Sorry MODS. Lets get focused, back to discussing the important and robust issues such as 'best practise as promulgated by the CASA',the success of the Australian regulatory reform program to date and maybe even the glossy pictures in the 2012 CASA Board (bored) Report!

[Up-into-the-air]

casa and a board game

The ultimate game [Mystic Skull Mystic Skull: The Game of Voodoo | Board Game | BoardGameGeek]:

Imagine yourself a 'witch doctor' who can cast a hex. Each witch doctor tries to fill his opponents' voodoo dolls with pins while trying to keep his own from being filled.

By stirring the cauldron with the bone, the mysterious moving Mystic Skull will magically stop at the various voodoo segments around the board, directing you to place pins in your opponent's voodoo doll or to exchange one of your tokens in order to remove pins from your own doll.

Players should use their tokens wisely and to their best advantage--they may help a player eliminate an opponent or save himself, but when a player uses his tokens up, he is at the mercy of the other players. When a player's doll is filled with pins, he is considered to be under a spell, and is out of the game.

The last player whose doll still has empty pin holes in it is the winner.

[aroa]

What the....????

Algie , do you live in a sheltered workshop or do you just come from an exo-planet?
If you think Ms E Hampton is the answer to any dreams then you are sadly mistaken.
Have you read the long list of things that she does NOT deal with.??
Got me stuffed why there is a humanoid on site or even the position.

Recently sent her a detailed account of serious breaches of defective administration by one of the Skulls recycled from the Byron dustbin, being her of the now titled "Senior Adviser, Investigations Policy and Practice",(sic..very sick) or like bloated moniker. You know, these are the folk who do "investigations" AFTER you have been deemed guilty of an offence, without due process.
Cant even follow their own bloody manuals either, but why let technical niceties get in the way of trying to make something stick

ICC response...No can deal. This happened over 12 months ago. !!

I dont see this in the list of criteria but any old BS for the brush off will do.
12 months! WTF is that in the casa scheme of things when amended regs can take decades.

AND I also have proof of ex company person, now with CASA, hassling another company, for the benefit of his original employer.
I think its called cronyism and corruption, but what would I know.

[gobbledock]

ICC response...No can deal. This happened over 12 months ago. !!

So perhaps 12 Months is the new timeframe for everything??? 12 months is the 'new black'!
* When an FOI goes after you for some indescretion, if it is over 12 months since the date of the alleged offence the FOI cannot use that information or offence agaisnt you?
* If an 'offence' has occurred on your behalf, then after 12 months it is automatically expunged from your file?(Then again they would need a workable tracking system other than a disgruntled Inspectors diary book).

Hang on a minute, the GWM don't have rules or playing guidelines.

One Rule For All

[Frank Burden]

The CASA-limbo!!

I have been reading a book by Ralph Nader and Wesley J. Smith written in 1993 titled: 'Collision Course: The Truth About Airline Safety'. A very interesting read with various chapter titles being: taking safety's measure, bureaucratic quicksand, deregulation, the tombstone imperatives, at cross purposes, and they have those mismanagement blues.

The book covers the ills, as seen by Nader and Smith, of the airline industry which went through near collapse following deregulation in 1978 and which in 1993 was still struggling to survive in a very imperfect commercial and regulatory environment.

In the introduction the point is made that the FAA, through rule making, establishes the minimum safety levels given its legal responsibility to write and enforce regulations. In Chapter 1 the responsibility of government is firmly stated:

For aviation to prosper it must be safe. Safety depends on many factors, such as the quality of aircraft design, the training of pilots, and excellent maintenance. But the genesis of the safety system, from which all else follows, is the vigor and enthusiasm with which the government issues and enforces effective safety standards.

When we get to the chapter titled: 'They have those mismanagement blues' I am so reminded of what I know and have been reading on this forum. I am reminded that the responsibilities of the FAA and CASA are much different but very much the same when it comes to regulating the industry.

The quality of FAA management has a direct impact on safety. …. If the FAA mismanages its meagre enforcement resources, it might have to rely too heavily on the good faith of the regulated companies to comply with safety rules. If the FAA is unable or unwilling to comply with congressional directives to improve safety, the flying public might be denied important safety benefits.

Unfortunately, the record of the FAA is all too clear. ATC modernization programs are chronically behind schedule, goals are frequently missed, the FAA work force is not adequately supervised and new safety programs often sink into FAA-limbo.

There are many similar problems in Australia today as Nader and Smith talk about in the US in 1993 including a lack of government financial commitment to building the airline infrastructure including the proper resourcing and conduct of the safety regulator.

Clearly, the Ministerial staffers and the Department must know there is something wrong. The CASA-limbo continues with no one having the determination or the intestinal fortitude to stop it.

No one wants to admit to an inept regulator that is all over the place and lacks international credibility. I wonder what those in Washington, Kuala Lumpur, Jakarta, New Delhi, Beijing and Tokyo (to name a few) are thinking about our amateurish attempt to conduct safety regulation of the dynamic and burgeoning aviation industry.

Sometimes you need to run just to keep up and doing the CASA-limbo rock may be keeping the bloated staff busy but is it achieving the appropriate safety outcomes required?

Keep safe,

Frank (the better looking one)

[Up-into-the-air]

casa vs. FAA and Attitude

This is worthwhile in seeing the difference between Australia and the rest of the world:

New aircraft certification regulations — Live

Have a listen to FAA's attitude and what casa is doing in comparison.

[blackhand]

GD refered to: GWM

What or who is this/

[Frank Arouet]

I have been reading a book by Ralph Nader and Wesley J. Smith written in 1993 titled: 'Collision Course

I have just dusted off a book for re-read.

Power Without Glory.

Frank Hardy. ISBN 9781741667615

In the history of Australian literature few books have been so controversial than Frank Hardy's Power Without Glory.This is a tale of corruption stretching from street corner SP bookmaking to the most influential men in the land - and the terrible personal cost of the power such corruption brings. John West rose from a Melbourne slum to dominate Australian politics with bribery, brutality and fear. His attractive wife and their children turned away from him in horror. Friends dropped away. At the peak of his power, surrounded by bootlickers, West faced a hate-filled nation - and the terrible loneliness of his life.Was John West a real figure? For months during the post-war years, an Australian court heard evidence in a sensational libel action brought by businessman John Wren's wife. After a national uproar which rocked the very foundations of the Commonwealth, Frank Hardy was acquitted. This is the novel which provoked such intense uproar and debate across the nation. The questions it poses remain unanswered…

People either have short memories or are illiterate. (ref Gonski)?

Lets chuck in a Royal Commission to piss the Catholics off, called by a Republican Athiest.

The Senate are all we have at the moment bar civil disobedience.

Bring on either/ or.

I'll play. It should be amusing to see where "the buck" stops.

[gobbledock]

Snort snort

Lets chuck in a Royal Commission to piss the Catholics off, called by a Republican Athiest.

It was an unusually astute move by The Carbon Queen.She has forced Sluggers hand. If he defends the Church then he is tainted goods as he is a staunch Catholic. If he supports the Government then he will get a lot of Catholics offside. She hasn't done this out of her own sense of moral correctness, it's all a game.

The Senate are all we have at the moment bar civil disobedience.

Perhaps it is time for an 'occupy CASA movement'? We could imitate what the majority of there staff do every day and do a 'sit in'. Sit on our backsides and refuse to move or do anything but fart and grumble about a lack of ergonomic chairs, the airconditioning temperature, whose turn it is to empty the dishwasher and who 'stole the aviation section out of the Friday Australian'!

I'll play. It should be amusing to see where "the buck" stops.

Count me in Frank, I will play also. Hopefully the prize at the end of the game is one of those big fat taxpayer troughs. We get to indulge for just 24 hours. Imagine all those tasty morsels!

This book is an excellent read! Pretty typical behavior of a taxpayer funded government department.
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