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PADS had, from memory a string of leader which was flown over the distressed person so that person had hold of a lifeline which was connected to a rescue float or similar. As I said, I can't find much about the system so I'm not in a position to argue the point. What were it's faults and what was the existing system that was better? Again from memory, PADS was designed to replace precision dropping which had it's problems as well.
If you have any links, I would appreciate you sharing them. I have an historical interest.
If you have any links, I would appreciate you sharing them. I have an historical interest.
Frank... I cant remember the year, but I remember watching a 7.30 report or was it 4 corners ??...where the Pads system was examined and showed footage of air drops... the line falling across the target, disabled boat,etc. Plenty of 'talking heads' and chat.
ABC archives may have that in their 'video vault' still.
Laurie G was trying to convince ? that this was a viable and easy to use sysytem.
Who was responsible for SAR in those days.? CASA, or a div of?
I do well remember the cock-up supreme and the death of the pilot in Bass Strait... with slavish following of "The Manual" leading to the fatality.
See Dick Smith's excellent documentary "Search Without Resue"
Very scary, is the bureaucratic mind.
ATC out of CNS tried a 'radio signal strength 'find' of a lost C206 in '84? without any outcome after some hours. TVL radar 20 mins south..que?
That would also make a VERY sobering doco.
In aviation, one needs to follow the Scouts' maxim.. Be Prepared -Yourself.
Others might not be.
Happy hunting.!
ABC archives may have that in their 'video vault' still.
Laurie G was trying to convince ? that this was a viable and easy to use sysytem.
Who was responsible for SAR in those days.? CASA, or a div of?
I do well remember the cock-up supreme and the death of the pilot in Bass Strait... with slavish following of "The Manual" leading to the fatality.
See Dick Smith's excellent documentary "Search Without Resue"
Very scary, is the bureaucratic mind.
ATC out of CNS tried a 'radio signal strength 'find' of a lost C206 in '84? without any outcome after some hours. TVL radar 20 mins south..que?
That would also make a VERY sobering doco.
In aviation, one needs to follow the Scouts' maxim.. Be Prepared -Yourself.
Others might not be.
Happy hunting.!
Frank, Google cache reveals:
"There is no debate over the issue of accuracy of the PADS system. All parties are in agreement that, when deployed without incident, PADS is significantly more accurate than the rescue delivery systems currently used by Airservices Australia. However, while the manufacturer is adamant that when deployed correctly it is totally reliable, other expert evidence has found the equipment to be unreliable."
After a bit of searching this is the original doc:
Senate Committees – Parliament of Australia
No conspiracy, just a website restructure & documents that are of little current relevance.
"There is no debate over the issue of accuracy of the PADS system. All parties are in agreement that, when deployed without incident, PADS is significantly more accurate than the rescue delivery systems currently used by Airservices Australia. However, while the manufacturer is adamant that when deployed correctly it is totally reliable, other expert evidence has found the equipment to be unreliable."
After a bit of searching this is the original doc:
Senate Committees – Parliament of Australia
No conspiracy, just a website restructure & documents that are of little current relevance.
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More movement at the station
Latest rumoured CASA chess move. The EM Safety Oversight Branch (which reports directly to the Director's office) has pulled the pin, effectively immediately. Rumour that I am now hearing is that he was actually one of the 'nice blokes' and fell out with the penisoners, particularly Farqwitson. he had a huge blow up with Farqwitson and walked out the building. He had only been there 2 years. Also heard that Gestapo tactics and Stasi like activity is on the increase particularly among the pensioner group in the upper echelon. Another bully has been rising up through the ranks (no name but he is angry, bald and famous in the NT before taking up office in Brisvegas) and he too enjoys beating up industry. (These sorts of people usually have a tiny weener and are battered henpecked husbands at home).
If the rumour is true it makes you wonder yet again about how capable and effective the Skull , Minister and Board are ??
Its time for all these old farts who have no accountabilty, are losing their marbles and certainly couldnt even fly a remote controlled plane anymore to be shown the door. Australian aviation is being ruined and wrecked by a few geriatric has-beens. Time to give them the golden handshake, panama hat, viagra and Volvo and tell them to never come back.
If the rumour is true it makes you wonder yet again about how capable and effective the Skull , Minister and Board are ??
Its time for all these old farts who have no accountabilty, are losing their marbles and certainly couldnt even fly a remote controlled plane anymore to be shown the door. Australian aviation is being ruined and wrecked by a few geriatric has-beens. Time to give them the golden handshake, panama hat, viagra and Volvo and tell them to never come back.
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Hey, I represent that remark........ Leave Volvos out of it!
And what vehicle would a long serving taxpayer funded bludging CASA bureaucrat buy after many many years on a couple of hundred thousand per year anyway?? A Holden Nimrod, Ford Nupty or a VW PIG? So many choices with that fat pension, so many choices.
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The Brisvegas Operations headquarters doesn't appear to be a happy place. Funny how some people only survive 2 or 3 years. Perhaps time for another engagement survey to be carried out by HR or whatever they are called these days.
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I have heard that events concerning a new aviation policy for the incoming Liberal/ National Party don't involve CASA at all except to use the term in the past tense.
Something to do with ICAO compliancy and existing aviation regulations that should have been adopted years ago.
But, after all, this is a rumour network and what would he know anyway?
Something to do with ICAO compliancy and existing aviation regulations that should have been adopted years ago.
But, after all, this is a rumour network and what would he know anyway?
Frank...
With the greatest of respect, I think that perhaps you maybe a bit wide of the mark here...
1. Compliancy or Complacency? ICAO identified problems with Australia's compliance with the SARPs of the ICAO Annexes during the last USOAP Audit it conducted of Australia - it's up to Australia to come up with corrective actions Frank, so ball's firmly in Australia's court here - i.e., CASA, as it represents the State. Complacency is the issue here Frank, because the present and past idiot Ministers didn't/don't know what compliance with SARPs involves
2. 'Regulations that should have been adopted years ago' - umm ... close, but no banana. It's the SARPs that should have been ratified into the Australian regultory framework - and which seem to be an ongoing work-in-progress (23 years at last count??) that seems to be the real issue here I'm afraid. Regulations aren't adopted by Contracting States - they ratify SARPs into the State's (in our case, the Australian) aviation legal 'framework' (so to speak - perhaps not totally correct, so not looking for any arguments here from some well-known PPRuNer protagonists, thanks very much - tally ho ).
In conclusion Frank - YES - something SHOULD have been done years AND FCUKING years ago to get the necessary SARPs into our regulatory system (or else differences filed) instead of all the rooting around that's been going on for Keeerist's sake. That we've gone 23 (?) years without satisfactory conclusion to arriving at a decent set of aviation regulations here in Australia is a totally bad joke and an ongoing concern about the appointment of total idiots such as the present and past ministerial numpty's who've clearly got 5/8ths of the sqrt of FA about what's needs to fix the problems.
Idiots.................
Something to do with ICAO compliancy and existing aviation regulations that should have been adopted years ago.
1. Compliancy or Complacency? ICAO identified problems with Australia's compliance with the SARPs of the ICAO Annexes during the last USOAP Audit it conducted of Australia - it's up to Australia to come up with corrective actions Frank, so ball's firmly in Australia's court here - i.e., CASA, as it represents the State. Complacency is the issue here Frank, because the present and past idiot Ministers didn't/don't know what compliance with SARPs involves
2. 'Regulations that should have been adopted years ago' - umm ... close, but no banana. It's the SARPs that should have been ratified into the Australian regultory framework - and which seem to be an ongoing work-in-progress (23 years at last count??) that seems to be the real issue here I'm afraid. Regulations aren't adopted by Contracting States - they ratify SARPs into the State's (in our case, the Australian) aviation legal 'framework' (so to speak - perhaps not totally correct, so not looking for any arguments here from some well-known PPRuNer protagonists, thanks very much - tally ho ).
In conclusion Frank - YES - something SHOULD have been done years AND FCUKING years ago to get the necessary SARPs into our regulatory system (or else differences filed) instead of all the rooting around that's been going on for Keeerist's sake. That we've gone 23 (?) years without satisfactory conclusion to arriving at a decent set of aviation regulations here in Australia is a totally bad joke and an ongoing concern about the appointment of total idiots such as the present and past ministerial numpty's who've clearly got 5/8ths of the sqrt of FA about what's needs to fix the problems.
Idiots.................
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The Banana winner is.
SIUYA - YES - something SHOULD have been done years AND FCUKING years ago to get the necessary SARPs into our regulatory system (or else differences filed) instead of all the rooting around that's been going on for Keeerist's sake.
Voltaire – a banana for Siuya. Bravo.
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Tony Abbott has made clear his intention of thinning out the public servants. How much do you reckon he would save by getting rid of the waste that's called CASA?
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Dangly bits;
1) For a start get rid of the "safety" word to describe the regulator who use that term to justify their actions.
2) CAA sounds nice. They can write the regulations only. (they may need a bit of help from PNG to do this as their last 23 years and billions of dollars have been for nought).
3) Federal Police, aviation branch, police those regulations only. The burden of proof rests with them only.
4) ATSB investigate accidents and work in conjunction with Feds and CASA, BUT, they, only, nobody else, investigate.
5) DPP, only, prosecute those rules found to have been broken by Federal Police that have a case to answer.
See Para 2).
1) For a start get rid of the "safety" word to describe the regulator who use that term to justify their actions.
2) CAA sounds nice. They can write the regulations only. (they may need a bit of help from PNG to do this as their last 23 years and billions of dollars have been for nought).
3) Federal Police, aviation branch, police those regulations only. The burden of proof rests with them only.
4) ATSB investigate accidents and work in conjunction with Feds and CASA, BUT, they, only, nobody else, investigate.
5) DPP, only, prosecute those rules found to have been broken by Federal Police that have a case to answer.
So if you shut down CASA, who would do the regulating
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flyingblind;
I tried that. Re wrote schedule 4 as a guide to purchasing a light aircraft and was asked to work on CASA's safety promotion branch by The CASA Chairman. When I asked, when do I start, where is my office, and what is the pay, it all went quiet. I still have the documentation.
The offer hasn't been revoked, perhaps you suggest I apply again and claim compensation for my wasted time?
I tried that. Re wrote schedule 4 as a guide to purchasing a light aircraft and was asked to work on CASA's safety promotion branch by The CASA Chairman. When I asked, when do I start, where is my office, and what is the pay, it all went quiet. I still have the documentation.
The offer hasn't been revoked, perhaps you suggest I apply again and claim compensation for my wasted time?
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Thanks for that Frank, interesting situation to be offered a position by the Chairman and all then falls in a heap, no doubt a frustrating situation not to get a go at effecting real change!
You could certainly try to claim but with Tony's promise to cut the Australian Public Service when he assumes Government I doubt the claim (conveniently) would have legs.
You could certainly try to claim but with Tony's promise to cut the Australian Public Service when he assumes Government I doubt the claim (conveniently) would have legs.