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Old 5th Feb 2010, 11:45
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Unctuos, That was a priceless post, you win the gold star for this year, no one will be able to beat that !!!!!!!!!
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Old 5th Feb 2010, 19:08
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My source tells me that the Industry Complaints Commissioner left to reinvigorate and pursue a legal career as a Barrister in NSW, and intends to practice in criminal law, aviation law and administrative law and on that basis has nothing public to offer at the moment. I believe he is quietly helping out a couple of our older drivers who have fallen foul of CASA and their employers.

The ICC had a number of significant run-ins with JM but would not withdraw or re-write his reports, chose to leave on that basis to maintain his integrity and support of industry and was appalled at the management style of JM. Apparently they loathed each other. Not even an afternoon cup of tea was on offer when the ICC departed by CASA management, pretty shoddy really.
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Old 5th Feb 2010, 21:06
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That's the kind of Lawyer you want fighting your case.......One with an AXE to grind

They might even consider it a sport, and be moderate in their fee!.....Ok dreaming now
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Old 5th Feb 2010, 21:14
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UNCTUOUS;

Don't worry about the hair. You will need a moustache like this however.

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Old 7th Feb 2010, 10:45
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Naughty

Whoops, more mischief at Skull Cave ?

Air watchdog linked to crash pilot
THE nation's air safety watchdog has been employing a company owned by a consultant who is in business with, and has worked for, the former chief pilot of the airline involved in Australia's worst civilian air crash in 40 years.

The relationship has distressed the relatives of the 15 people who died when Transair Flight 675 crashed into a ridge as it came in to land at Lockhart River in far north Queensland in 2005.
The Weekend Australian does not suggest any wrongdoing on the part of the consultant, Rob Collins, his company, Transair, or Les Wright arising from their relationship.
Last year, from January to April, Mr Collins, a former Civil Aviation Safety Authority safety expert, provided consultancies, through his Temba Pastoral company, to CASA.
Also early last year, Mr Collins was employed as a safety consultant by Papua New Guinea-based Trans Air Ltd, which is co-owned by Mr Wright, the former chief pilot and co-owner of the company that operated Flight 675.
Mr Wright was not the pilot of the plane but supervised and co-owned the airline involved in the crash.
Last month, Mr Collins and Mr Wright became co-directors and stakeholders in an unrelated private company, Paradise Meats Pty Ltd. Mr Collins has declined to elaborate what business Paradise Meats will be conducting.
Shane Urquhart, whose daughter Sally died in the Lockhart crash, yesterday called on CASA to look at its relationships with its consultants. Mr Collins this week declined to comment about his work as a consultant.
A CASA spokesman said: "CASA always takes appropriate steps to avoid . . . conflicts of interest when engaging consultants and contractors. These steps were taken when CASA engaged Mr Rob Collins' company."
Trans Air's hiring of Mr Collins proved useful when it successfully appealed against CASA's block on the charter operation getting a certificate to allow it to carry cargo and passengers along Queensland's northeast coast and to Darwin. CASA had blocked the original application on the grounds of Mr Wright's involvement with Trans Air and that the charter business had flown into Australia on medivac flights without getting permission from CASA.
Queensland Administrative Appeals Tribunal deputy president Philip Hack overturned the decision and ordered CASA to issue the certificate to Trans Air on the grounds that Mr Wright was only a line pilot with the operation and the operation was safe.
In his judgment, he made special note of evidence by Mr Collins who had been hired by Trans Air to undertake a review of safety and management systems at the operation over three days in late March and prepare a report.
"In the present context it is helpful to consider the work undertaken by Mr Collins in his examination of the systems of Trans Air, and the opinions that he has reached regarding the company's operations," Mr Hack said in the judgment. "Mr Collins has enormous experience in these matters. He was . . . a most impressive witness. His opinion is entitled to considerable weight."
Mr Hack said Mr Collins' affidavit had stated that "the staff, processes, work practices, facilities, and aircraft of Trans Air are compliant with statutory requirements and (it) demonstrates the capacity to comply with relevant Australian legislation".
Mr Hack also took into account Mr Collins' opinions about what should be made of the failures of the company Lessbrook, which ran the crashed airline and had been part owned by Mr Wright.
Mr Collins' evidence to the tribunal was that the operation was different from the company that ran the crashed airline.
"Mr Wright, as we currently have it, is not in control, and I think the devolution of control and proper governance of the organisation is enhanced by different people having different roles, which wasn't the case in Lessbrook," Mr Collins said.
Mr Collins told the AAT that Mr Wright "is a very good pilot, he's a very good trainer and checker, but I wouldn't regard him highly in terms of his managerial ability". Mr Hack said Mr Collins' evidence had satisfied him that Trans Air's operational structure and its key personnel were quite different from those of Lessbrook where Mr Wright himself performed many of the key roles.
The judgment, which was handed down on January 22, notes that Mr Collins worked for CASA for 16 years after originally working for Lessbrook in 1990.
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The same Mr Collins that was consultant to Counsel assisting the Coroner in the Lockhart River Inquest.

Impartiality, objectivity and conflict of interest come to mind!
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Old 8th Feb 2010, 04:14
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It is my understanding that this is the same person that had a major reporting/ochestrating role for the Transport Department during the conduct of the governments activities and contribution to the unmentionable during August to March some 20 years ago.

Employment searches, 'safety consultation" and doing the Aust Governments "assistance" to the PNG CAA is also one of his 'little earners'.

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Old 8th Feb 2010, 06:22
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Torres,
Interestingly, I am told that the "Lockhart River" consultancy meant that said person could not be called as a witness to the Coroner's Inquest, and if this is true, I am quite certain that it was only an unintended consequence of CASA's action.
This was all well before JMac.
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Old 8th Feb 2010, 21:43
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Sir Humphrey: If there had been investigations, which there haven't, or not necessarily, or I'm not at to say whether there have, there would have been a project team which, had it existed, on which I cannot comment, would now have been disbanded, if it had existed, and the members returned to their original departments, if indeed there had been any such members.
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Old 9th Feb 2010, 05:53
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Frank, its from Yes Minister
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Old 9th Feb 2010, 06:09
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Devil

Torres

You know better than that..........Your comments are under done and letting them off the hook rather lightly.

Makes you want the Inquest started all over again, and at CASA's expense!

And people wonder why many folk do not believe you get justice in this country.
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Old 9th Feb 2010, 07:58
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LedSled. You are bolder than I. Yup, that too. May I also be so bold as to question how much of the Coroner's Report was written by the Coroner and how much input to the Report by Counsel Assisting and his hired helper?

Mr Collins worked for CASA for 16 years after originally working for Lessbrook in 1990.
Errr, conflict of interest anyone?
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Old 9th Feb 2010, 09:07
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Just part of the "Group Captains Club" a united force institutionally endorsed as the masterts of "Conflict of Interest" never let ethics get in the way of a good "earner".
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Old 9th Feb 2010, 12:58
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Dangerous ground.
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Old 11th Feb 2010, 01:49
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I can't help feeling that JMc is damaged goods and best sent packing.

With baggage like the Senate Committee dummy spit late last year, the apparent present staffing turmoil, that disgusting membership of the Star Chamber at CX and of course his RAAF reputation, I don't think this is the sort of leadership the regulator needs now or ever.

That the national regulator is in such a state is not good for us as individuals, not good for our industry as a whole and certainly not good for the public that (blindly and ingnorantly) believes CASA is doing its job.

We, the industry and the public deserve better.

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Old 11th Feb 2010, 02:47
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Who on earth is credited with selecting this misfit for the CEO job in the first place? What a monumental blunder that was....!
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Old 11th Feb 2010, 09:22
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Correction

Checklist Charlie,
You do speak much truth, o wise one.
However, it's not about regulation, and it hasn't been for a number of years now. It is about saving money and cost cutting.The regulator is being bankrolled by a broke government.
People, do the math. Poor finances don't only pose a risk to companies or airlines
A reliable source tells me that most offices or departments are empty enough to hold a rock concert in. Nobody left, and those who remain are either retiring or leaving for better jobs.
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Old 12th Feb 2010, 05:11
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Nobody left, and those who remain are either retiring or leaving for better jobs.
There have been some really good, and quality people leave, but the problem is the "grubs" that are still there. Plus those floating around the walls of "Fort Fumble" to thicken the slime.

This CEO simply has no idea of the real state of play.
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Old 13th Feb 2010, 10:01
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A reliable source tells me that most offices or departments are empty enough to hold a rock concert in. Nobody left, and those who remain are either retiring or leaving for better jobs.
And this is how those who are the big players probably want it to be.
No one to put a rocket up them and a 'government agency' to blame when it goes pear shaped.
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CASA's use by date is expired. It should be abolished. Here's why.

The organisation provides only a modicum of input, generally misguided and legalistic, to the actual business of aviation and aviating. CASA is a hindrance to aviation not a contributor. The organisation has been provided with excessive discretion to make decisions on behalf of individuals and business and organisations and this discretion should be removed.

Parliament needs to be persuaded to the view that the time when there was a need for such oversight and intrusive involvement in aviation is over. Historic circumstances have changed.

Aviation Standards? yes, international base operational and manufacturing agreed (build or fix), is enough. We know enough from the safety research and accident investigations of a century what causes aircraft to crash and what is risky activity to know how to avoid it or minimise it without being told. Nothing has changed and safety is probably as good as it will get. We are at the '****up' factor, human mistakes and failures, the rest is the law of unintended consequences, there are always some for something. So we can work at improving but that is a natural process but we do not need a regulator to know this. All the industry, businesses, owners, pilots, engineers, ground staff, fuel people, cleaners and clerks, generally understand this, all of us go out on our day to day business with the intention of not being hurt, being killed or having an unpleasant day. We do not require hundreds of pages of regulations to tell us this or make us do this.

The historical circumstances that gave rise for the view and therefore the action of Parliament to provide intrusive regulation and therefore prevent the individual from holding the ultimate responsibility for their actions and hence their duty of care to all and sundry, is past. We live in the same world but at a very different level and much higher level of technology and knowledge. The technology has simplified administration and mechanised, now digitised, many manual processes. The systems are reliable and soundly designed. Compliance with commonly and internationally agreed systems and standards should be left to the responsible person, either corporate and individual and the transfer of legal risk from the State to the individual and hence and then subject to common law, risk would be managed and duty of care satisfied. We do it already in road transport. Apart from design standards , licensing and educational roles, any compliance process is left to random inspections and the annual requirement to meet registration requirements.

IF such a change was made, by new legislation cast in plain and simple language all the industry would then need government to supply was; a central group to manage ICAO and publish standards and update rules or guidance as appropriate, a licensing section, a registration section, an educational and training section, and safety research. That is it. The need for approval to run an aviation business would be gone and the supervision of day to day activity a matter for appropriate inspectors. Any inspectors or those engaged in such activity would and must come from a completely separate and judicially accountable body, such as the AFP, and compliance failure dealt with by administrative action excepting grevious and criminal acts.


It is industry and its participants that make aviation what it is today; reliable, safe and efficient air transport. Businesses do not make money with broken and wrecked equipment and crew do not go out to kill themselves and their passengers every day, their livelihood and income depends on it. There is professional pride in both workmanship and skills of all those who work in the industry, in all countries regardless of the regulatory regime. Excellence comes and goes. The rules to avoid accidents are very simple indeed. All of this owes nothing to or has anything to do with CASA or its predecessors, no matter how well intentioned.

Time to move on is my view!
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