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Old 27th Mar 2013, 13:06
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No dice there either. No upgrade to J class on EK. They don't give it to their staff, and there is no way QF staff will get an upgrade on EK services. So if you want J class, you'll have to fly QF services.
You might want to read the email
Message from Alan Joyce - Staff Travel on Emirates
Also, from the staff travel website
It will take effect from 2 April 2013

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Old 27th Mar 2013, 13:17
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Ok that makes sense. Thanks Workers Perspective.
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 20:32
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Forced annual leave is one thing but forced long service leave (and the reduced pay rates that come with it) is not something that I am happy about.

I've been more than happy to tow the line by not working any OT for the last 4 months but if I'm forced on to 30% less pay for any sustained period we are simply not going to have enough money to pay the bills.

I've always used up my annual leave to relieve the fatigue of shift work and spend time with my young family hence I don't have much saved up at all. Any leave forced on me would have to be long service.

Nobody should be forced to take long service until EVERYONE'S annual and DILs have been used up!
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 20:57
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I don't think you can be forced to take any leave other than annual leave afaik.
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 21:12
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I hope so!
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 21:22
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In NSW the company can direct you to take LSL or Annual leave.

Other option is they can sack 55 LAMEs.
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 21:32
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65 LAMEs were going to be forced out the gate in the next month or so. They can now continue their careers for the next year, minimum. This gives a bit of breathing space to deal with what is over the horizon for probably the vast majority of QF LAMEs (and the huge no's of managers employed "lead" them) if Mr Nasty stays around.

It's a sad state for the few who are whinging and moaning about being "forced" to take a couple of blocks of leave so as to save 65 jobs. Greedy F@*ks!!! If you don't like it you have a couple of weeks to put your hand up for VR. Good riddance!!!

Good work Steve. Dealt with a sh!t sandwich, you have made it somewhat digestable.

Looks like the ALAEA has once again done the leg work for the AME unions. Instead of engaging with the company on behalf of their members, the AME reps had their snouts in the trough. Only interested in themselves. Poor leadership from the top of their union right down to the reps on the floor!!!
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 21:32
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So are you going to make people take a pay cut while there's still others with a heap of annual saved up?

At least get the proposed forced leave policy out there before they close VR. In fact I don't understand why the VR shouldn't stay open the whole time.

Is there any way to forfeit your LSL rather than take a pay cut?
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 21:41
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I couldn't give a f#ck about forced leave its the pay cut I can't handle! I'm not a greedy f#ck! I refrained from OT and watched 380 blokes hook in like it was Christmas!

I'm not someone that lives beyond their means relying on OT. But without shift penalties I'm screwed.

The first expense I'll be cutting will be my union fees. An extra $30 a fortnight would be very handy after a 30% pay cut.

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Old 27th Mar 2013, 21:43
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My view is that VR should be an ongoing process say offered twice yearly for a month or two (evolution not revolution) also as an incentive for older guys with a lifetime of service to leave 1 to 2 years earlier than they planned and not be out of pocket with earnings.
But not sure how that works with super.

I am sure any forced leave program will start with those with the most annuals and longest period since they took some. That alone will takes ages to work through.

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Old 27th Mar 2013, 22:08
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Jet A 1 if you are that hopeless with your finances then maybe you could do 1 shift of O/T to cover your losses. Are you that stupid and short sighted. Lucky maths wasn't a basic exam or you'd still be an ame.
Bring out the violins for these poor people, my heart is bleeding. Damn those 65 LAMEs. They should dragged out the door immediately, there lives upheaved, just so Jet A1 doesn't have to lose a few hundred dollars. I hope your not passing on your morals to your 'young family'.
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 22:12
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I am one of the 65 f#ckwit!

Just get the proposed forced leave policy out before they close VR.

I find it very hard to believe the majority support forced LSL. This should go to a vote.
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 22:18
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No way. You just didn't say you were one of the 65 facing a $100,000+ a year pay cut now sooking because you're facing a $800 pay cut. Oh that has made my day. Is there really people out there who could possibly think like this. I can't stop laughing, thank you Jet A1.
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 22:22
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PM me and I'd be happy to explain my situation further with you face to face if you'd like duderanch.
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 22:26
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Sorry too busy laughing.
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 22:29
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Laughing and putting sh!t on people with complete anonymity.

Don't assume you know other people's situation.
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 22:42
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Jet A One nobody will be forced to take a pay cut. The worst case scenario for you apart from losing your job would be that you keep your job and may have to take 4 weeks LSL. The company can do that anyway. I have written a notice that will come out today explaining it in as much detail as we know.

Maybe though we can take a look at reality. I am tipping (yes this is an assumption) that Qantas will need a lot of overtime because they will have more people on leave. I say this because even today they need more labour to get through the workload than they have. You can cover the loss of shift penalties by working one or two shifts extra a year (remember the LSL itself will hand you at least 8 shifts off).

If you are worried about loss of the LSL itself, work 4 more double time shifts and you have put the same money in the bank and are still two days better off. Add to that the fact that you will be employed for at least one more year and will add four weeks pay to any redundancy payout at a higher rate and I cannot see how you could be worse off.
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 22:50
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Lets get this thread back on track 'advice required'

Can someone please help me, I am faced with losing $100,000 + a year or for 2 weeks in that year I face losing maybe $800. I need to know now because if I am going lose $800 I will have to consider the $100,000+ loss option. Can somone please help ?
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Thanks for the info Fed Sec. A notice with a bit more detail will be good.

It's just my opinion that forced annual should come before forced LSL.
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Old 27th Mar 2013, 22:55
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Angry

If you people want this thread to stay open, STOP the personal attacks!!
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