Qantas Engineering redundances - Advice required!!!
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Hi 33 you must have second sense, I have just had my bathroom renovated by GRUMPY bathrooms , great job , Grumpy management would do a better job than the Qantas jokers , and they had no KPI's
The Company Spy:
Why yes it is. The Sociopaths fear anyone who is competent and a natural leader. They actively remove them as quickly as possible to avoid any possibility of being demonstrated to be wrong about anything.
The replacements are not only incompetent, they are Sociopaths as well, because only a Sociopath will work for a Sociopath if they have a choice in the matter. Ordinary people won't lick arse they way Sociopaths require.
How to spot a sociopath - 10 red flags that could save you from being swept under the influence of a charismatic nut job
Sunfish, is it standard operating procedure for executive sociopaths to surround themselves with incompetent and compliant underlings?
The replacements are not only incompetent, they are Sociopaths as well, because only a Sociopath will work for a Sociopath if they have a choice in the matter. Ordinary people won't lick arse they way Sociopaths require.
How to spot a sociopath - 10 red flags that could save you from being swept under the influence of a charismatic nut job
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Went to the meeting on Wednesday hopeful to hear how it was going, I was confident after listening to a member who went to the earlier meeting. I must say I was dissappointed, no real answers to questions and nothing to give me confidence we were moving forward.
The Fed Sec mentioned on this forum about cutting 380 numbers back to 24 and announcements next month but said nothing about it at the meeting.
There were vague references to the grand plan but nothing confirmed. If he has any information then he needs to share it.
If he wants to make comment on a public forum but wont back it up with facts then don't make them.
I was also dissappointed when several questions were raised but the Sec waffled around but gave no real answer.
He once again raised the fatigue issue as if it was a new issue, however he still hasn't answered my last question as why its taken the Association so long to bring this issue to a head. His lack of response is curious.
If he wants CASA to take peoples licences away or have Qantas discipline people, why now and not in 2009 when this issue was raised.
By the way I do support a great deal of what the Sec is doing, but don't start acting like a politician, answer the questions clearly and don't throw bombshells into the forum without backing it up.
The Fed Sec mentioned on this forum about cutting 380 numbers back to 24 and announcements next month but said nothing about it at the meeting.
There were vague references to the grand plan but nothing confirmed. If he has any information then he needs to share it.
If he wants to make comment on a public forum but wont back it up with facts then don't make them.
I was also dissappointed when several questions were raised but the Sec waffled around but gave no real answer.
He once again raised the fatigue issue as if it was a new issue, however he still hasn't answered my last question as why its taken the Association so long to bring this issue to a head. His lack of response is curious.
If he wants CASA to take peoples licences away or have Qantas discipline people, why now and not in 2009 when this issue was raised.
By the way I do support a great deal of what the Sec is doing, but don't start acting like a politician, answer the questions clearly and don't throw bombshells into the forum without backing it up.
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Ask me some clear questions on here and I will give you some straight answers. Just be mindful that some questions cannot be answered clearly. Take this scenario for example which relates back to SHM closure. I can see this in a court room in 6 months.
Judge - My Purvinas when did you become aware that Qantas were going to outsource all line maintenance to AMSA?
Purvinas - We only found out last week.
Judge - But Qantas provided evidence that you knew about it 6 months earlier. They presented it from a website called Pprune. Did you post that?
Purvinas - Yes I did.
Judge - So why didn't you raise it with Qantas 6 months ago?
and hence a court case is lost. SHM case on consultation was lost as Raffaelli established that the ALAEA were aware of the closure some time earlier. If I haven't answered a question directly there is a reason and it has nothing to do with politics. If I can I will.
cheers
Judge - My Purvinas when did you become aware that Qantas were going to outsource all line maintenance to AMSA?
Purvinas - We only found out last week.
Judge - But Qantas provided evidence that you knew about it 6 months earlier. They presented it from a website called Pprune. Did you post that?
Purvinas - Yes I did.
Judge - So why didn't you raise it with Qantas 6 months ago?
and hence a court case is lost. SHM case on consultation was lost as Raffaelli established that the ALAEA were aware of the closure some time earlier. If I haven't answered a question directly there is a reason and it has nothing to do with politics. If I can I will.
cheers
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Is a shame the guys in the West are breaking their necks to do extra hours atm.
Of all the ports, they have been thru the wringer more than once in recent years, and know more than most about lack of support from fellow engineers.
Maybe they're just returning the support shown during the 8 hour dispute?
Of all the ports, they have been thru the wringer more than once in recent years, and know more than most about lack of support from fellow engineers.
Maybe they're just returning the support shown during the 8 hour dispute?
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Good thinking. Pay each other back until nobody has a job left.
There was nothing the blokes in the East could do during the 8 hour battle to make any difference in the West. It was a battle we won in the court room.
People who are not supportive make their decisions for entirely different reasons.
There was nothing the blokes in the East could do during the 8 hour battle to make any difference in the West. It was a battle we won in the court room.
People who are not supportive make their decisions for entirely different reasons.
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AMSA doing QF line maint (int)....... Could explain loss of customer work and movement of QF engineering to the domestic side of the business. Of course i'm assuming that was just a hypothetical example though.
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Perhaps it's time to bring back 'the voice' or whatever it is was called.
In the meantime one imagines scenes like these...
DR. SMITH VS. MAJOR WEST - YouTube
In the meantime one imagines scenes like these...
DR. SMITH VS. MAJOR WEST - YouTube
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Contracts will be ushered in after 2014 EA expiry, especially with the Libs in power.
Don't expect the Redundancy conditions to remain same the same either. There will be a watery down of weeks/year of service in line with other industries. There won't be an argument of retrospection because those left received the correct entitlement at the time and those remaining have a job. This is the last wave of goodies while Julia is in charge.
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I predict that Mxi is also going to be used as a performance management tool.Guys struggling to adapt to this change,will be managed out the door when it comes time to cull more numbers.Another stealth procedure that can't be argued against.You sign incorrectly,fail to do your timesheet,basically anything done incorrectly,is all there to be accessed by management.I am not complaining I mean we are getting paid for this technology change...are we not.(EA 9 , Grade/3%/Grade/3%)
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mxi. the productivity monitoring and destruction tool. what a dud.
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Redundancies
There will be some very disappointed engineers in the future who will fill the smoko rooms with "why didn't I take that redundancy last year when it was offered. I wanted another year or two and now I am getting less of a pay out".
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it is my understanding lamem that even after an eba expires the conditions stand until a new agreement is signed off so a redundancy later regardless of a new govt should be under current eba conditions. I say 'should be' , not certain of course. But having said that, if anyone is thinking about it now would be a good time imho.
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We don't have to sign off on a new EBA to have it forced upon us by FWA like last time. You can bet your left one that we'll lose conditions. If you want a golden handshake I'd be leaving now otherwise you may leave with a $hit sandwich after the Libs get in.
