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Old 2nd Sep 2012, 20:37
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Originally Posted by clear to land View Post
The future is clear if you don't have rose coloured glasses on.
Must be good to have such clear vision of the world wide aviation market.

1 year ago the future was also very clear to the jetstar mob. Turns out they had rose colored glasses on.

Every management or business model has their time in the sun. If you think that their time in the sun will last forever, then you might just want to check that you aren't the one sporting the latest fashion in rose colored glasses.
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Old 2nd Sep 2012, 20:46
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Originally Posted by clear to land View Post
EK's aim is to be a 'round the world' airline like Pan Am used to be.
Sorry to quote you again but I love this first sentence. It captures the beautiful tinge of rose coloring your vision.

I bet Pan Am thought they had this whole aviation thing worked out.

If you want to go for cliches how about "the only constant in aviation is change."

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Old 2nd Sep 2012, 21:29
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It may sound a little rose-tinted, but it is nevertheless correct. EK will make it it's business to screw QF the way QF has tried to d to everyone else for the last 40+ years of my memory.

QF won't get their ands on cast-off EK 777's-despite their age and EK's desire to get rid of them, they are too valuable. QF has, and will continue to ignore the 777 as the death of the 747. Perhaps the ridiculous gummint protectionism of QF, and successive generations of QF management convincing themselves of the rightness of their feeble opinions will actually be QF' obituary.

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Old 2nd Sep 2012, 21:45
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Originally Posted by clear to land
EK's aim is to be a 'round the world' airline like Pan Am used to be. They will do nothing that is not to the direct and immediate benefit of EK (which is why I am very happy to be with them). There is only one rather large body of water which we don't yet span. EK has a commercial department second to none, and a management team that makes QF look like kindergarten rejects. The future is clear if you don't have rose coloured glasses on.

What make you think QF needs EK for this?



on the whole pacific thing, are the 'lax slots' folks are on about actually QFs to give...........
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Old 2nd Sep 2012, 22:25
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Originally Posted by trimotor View Post
It may sound a little rose-tinted, but it is nevertheless correct. EK will make it it's business to screw QF the way QF has tried to d to everyone else for the last 40+ years of my memory.

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It's called business. It's about implementing strategies to achieve goals. Ek will do what's right for ek. Qf will do what's right for Qf. They might find common ground and strike a business relationship.

Ek would be stupid not to utilise Qfs current situation to strike a favorable business deal.
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Old 2nd Sep 2012, 23:57
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EK's aim is to be a 'round the world' airline
A380 DXB-SYD-LAX-DXB-LAX-SYD-DXB
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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 00:03
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They will do nothing that is not to the direct and immediate benefit of EK (which is why I am very happy to be with them). There is only one rather large body of water which we don't yet span. EK has a commercial department second to none, and a management team that makes QF look like kindergarten rejects. The future is clear if you don't have rose coloured glasses on.
Few Australians seem to fully realise this, but every Kiwi does; NZ and Australia have a 'common market' treaty called CER [Closer Economic Relations]. The CER works in exactly the same way as the agreement between the USA, Canada and Mexico [on which it is based]. So Emirates flying SYD-AKL and SYD-CHC with traffic rights is exactly the same as if they suddenly popped up with traffic rights between New York and Toronto and Los Angeles and Vancouver. How likely would that be to happen? Not very. Yet they busted into the trans-Tasman market.

At the time this happened they also achieved vastly expanded traffic rights west out of Australia to Dubai. The 'cover story' was that it would be good for inbound tourism to Australia to have some competition to those unpopular price gouging folks at Qantas. They'd inundate Australia with tourists from all points [Yeah, right!]

To back up their 'tourism friendly' credentials, Emirates built and still operate an 'eco friendly' resort out in a remote place called the Wolgan Valley, NSW. How charging at least $1250 per night to stay there benefits the Australian tourism industry is still not clear, at least to me. About the only person it ever benefited was the farmer who sold his marginal, unproductive property, overrun with kangaroos, to Emirates. And I bet he sold out cheaply, not realising who was buying.

As I said that was the cover story. But in a logical world, you'd have to think there was something else going on here. Now either Australian politicians and public servants are incredibly naive and stupid [entirely possible] to give away traffic rights even within their own CER to foreign interests who provide nothing of substance back in return, or you'd have to at least entertain the possibility that Emirate's "second to none commercial department" includes a man with a suitcase padlocked to his wrist who travels to Australia. A lot.

A diligent Police Force, who are independent from the political structure just so they can investigate such things without compromise, would no doubt carry out enquiries, should they ever have suspicions, in exactly the same way they'd use to apprehend bank robbers. They'd look around to see who was a likely suspect and who has been living beyond their means since the act was perpetrated. Follow The Money is nearly always a useful line of investigation. The independent police and the judiciary are there to protect us from such events, should they ever occur. At least in a logical world. Unfortunately we don't seem to live in a logical world any more. [Although the AWB was recently investigated regarding their activities while selling wheat into the Middle East, so perhaps the system might still work, after all].

A half empty Emirates A380 flew out of Sydney on the short sector to Auckland this morning, as it does every morning. How much money does that service lose every day? Does an under-utilised, gob-smackingly expensive 'eco-friendly' resort in the Wolgan Valley offset, in any way, the damage done to Australian and NZ jobs, the environment and economic prosperity wrought by the stupidity of allowing Emirates world domination, however achieved?

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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 00:44
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Are Captain Gidday finally someone finally has got it 110% correct. The rights the middle eastern carriers have to Australia were all based upon we will bring you 100,000s of tourists. Yea sure. The $aus is so strong that the traffic is all Aussies outbound. Only when 1000s more of Australian jobs are lost will the politicians realise that they were sold a crock. The Canadians have seen what Emirates have done here and will only allow them token services so they wont destroy Air Canada.
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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 01:27
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Jetconnect will not be getting wound up. Money on expansion.
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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 02:40
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How much freight did it have hidden under the floor? If it was full, they would be turning a profit on that run without pax upstairs. Remember the 300 series 777's have more under floor cubes than a 744.

Too often we fail to see the whole picture.

I have no idea, but things are not necessarily as we see them.

Having said that, I believe Trans Tasman should be left to Antipodeans.

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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 03:09
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QF's cost base

Quoting RamboFlyer 1 I honestly believe EK will fly Red tails all over Europe as they exhaust their rights into other countries a new entity ( Qantas) will be able to pick up a very large number of new destinations.
The cost base of EK is probably about 1/3 of qantas if not less.


On what basis do you tink EK's cost is 1/3rd that of QF. Last time I looked, they were paying the same Airways charges, much the same for fuel (Emirates does not have a hedging policy if I recall), and Boeing and Airbus are not 'gifting' airframes to them.

If you are saying that EK has a lower management cost, I would believe that, BUT to claim a cost base which includes ALL the costs associated with operation (fixed and variable), sure they have an advantage. They are smarter (read more effective) in getting every last hour of productivity from their employees - but that only amounts to about 7% of the total operating cost. If they are have an efficiency double that of QF, we are still talking a small overall increase in direct costs, not the 33% you claim.

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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 03:57
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So when does the QF DXB base get set up? Maybe AJ could get a nice pad there and base himself in Dubai
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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 04:40
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Emirates - A friend of Australia | Ogilvy Public Relations Australia
Challenge To double Emirates’ cap of 49 flights a week to Australia over 7 years via a multifaceted strategy negotiating directly with the federal government, influencing their state ministerial counterparts and all political stakeholders on the positive outcomes this deal would deliver to Australia’s tourism exports sector. To complement the government relations strategy, P&P developed a 360° PA campaign which included strategic media management which shaped broader reporting on aviation policy, leveraging existing partnerships and developing events which highlighted EK commitment and articulated its Australian story.
Insight
Our research indicated the need to better articulate Emirates contribution to Australia’s tourism and trade sector, challenge misconceptions, highlight its ongoing investment and the consumer benefits delivered through continued growth.
Creative idea
“Emirates – a Friend of Australia” strategy utilised third party support (e.g. airport CEO’s, influential media, tourism ministers) to assist convincing the Government to support Emirates request for additional services.
Campaign
Our primary Government target was the Federal Minister for Transport and Regional Services but also key Cabinet Ministers, senior bureaucrats and public servants. We organised media briefings, visits by senior Emirates executives, commissioned significant research and tailored messages to over 100 key stakeholders.
Outcome
In March 2007, a new agreement allowed Emirates to grow its flights to Australia’s gateways over four years by 71% – a major win for the airline and Australian tourism and trade sectors.
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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 06:28
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It will be red tailed 777's flown by Jetstar pilots. The Townsville refueller told me so.
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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 06:28
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Does anyone know what that parking fee actually is? I've heard this said many times but I wonder if it is just an urban myth for want of a better phrase.
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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 06:32
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Capt Gidday- As well as freight, the bit you didn't account for was the cost of keeping an A380 parked at Sydney all day from 6am til 2115. Much cheaper for EK to send it across the pond.
$154 per hour to park an A380 at Sydney. An A380 would burn more than that just on the all the taxiing for a return across the pond.
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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 06:57
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[QUOTE]$154 per hour to park an A380 at Sydney. An A380 would burn more than that just on the all the taxiing for a return across the pond./QUOTE]

That's less than it costs to park your car at the airport.

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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 06:59
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Excellent post about O&M , 600ft-lb. Great find.


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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 07:36
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About $50 per 24 hours
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Old 3rd Sep 2012, 22:18
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Emirates B777's operated by Emirates staff flying QF routes.

Thats all folks.........but keep the dream alive!
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