Dallas Dispute - Qantas Crew stood down.
I was thinking the same thing 'Sops' (although not with the same spelling,am surprised the spelling Nazi's haven't picked up on that
) How come this guy has gotten this far into his career without being called into the office for some 'uniform re-adjustment training'
Maybe he has but we are talking about QF I guess
'Dutch' that's very true what you say,there's two types of pilots in most airlines & they are the same person:-) The real pilot out there on the line & the Sim pilot behind closed locked doors bolted to the ground performing like a circus monkey, they are one & the same:-)
At the very least they never left the ground, the system for want of a better word worked in this case.
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) How come this guy has gotten this far into his career without being called into the office for some 'uniform re-adjustment training' Maybe he has but we are talking about QF I guess'Dutch' that's very true what you say,there's two types of pilots in most airlines & they are the same person:-) The real pilot out there on the line & the Sim pilot behind closed locked doors bolted to the ground performing like a circus monkey, they are one & the same:-)
At the very least they never left the ground, the system for want of a better word worked in this case.
Wmk2
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That's been a mystery that only a former CP can know. Our hero has had more stuff ups/crm issues/harrassment incidents than you could possibly dream up, yet......Teflon
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You gotta realise Wally that unfortunately in our society it often only takes the threat of "lawyering up" to make internal complaints and investigations go away......especially when some individuals can afford a really good legal rep. Things end up in the "too hard" basket and wallow there for years. Of course, mates in high places helps too.
It's really only when outside agencies get involved that the wheels start slowly turning.
It's really only when outside agencies get involved that the wheels start slowly turning.
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I have witnessed him screaming at a waitress for our bar snacks being delivered late, then without pausing for breath, asking her back to his hotel room. She'd have been barely 21.
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Staines accident....
Although the attached link is not pointing fingers, potential risks from poor CRM and anger management isssues, if that is a factor in Dallas, can be quite serious..
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Well it's nice of you to share your intimacy with this Captain with all of us.........
I have come across this Cpatain numerous times over the years but i still remember coming accross this Captain when i was working up in Narita on a very hot humid day
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I have come across this Cpatain numerous times over the years but i still remember coming accross this Captain when i was working up in Narita on a very hot humid day. The cabin was literally 45 degrees. All the cabin crew, the FO and the SO were absolutely pissed off at this Captain because he wouldnt turn on the airconditioning packs 38 minutes before departure because his manual said 30 minutes before departure.
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I have witnessed him screaming at a waitress for our bar snacks being delivered late, then without pausing for breath, asking her back to his hotel room. She'd have been barely 21.
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Just one small question.... What are you talking about?
So there was thunderstorms that delayed the departure. Would they have been able to make BNE in the allowed extended duty period anyway?
What if they couldn't have made BNE and the decision from QF was to overnight everyone in Dallas as opposed to en route in Nadi or somewhere else?
Seems all a bit too convenient.
What if they couldn't have made BNE and the decision from QF was to overnight everyone in Dallas as opposed to en route in Nadi or somewhere else?
Seems all a bit too convenient.
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I have not the faintest Idea who this Gentleman is but have been in the airlines long enough to know there are times the airlines think stuff the investment, he/she has to go, too much drama, too much damage, too many complaints. I have personally witnessed the demise (job wise) of three Captains. Three times done in the most amazing way, no call in "your fired" nothing like that, they tried doing it by "faulting" them on a check, no joy, then they turned to things I would not mention, but suffice to say the wallopers were brought in on all occasions, and they decided to "leave" . I have my doubts that any were guilty of the charges laid, but they were not pleasant. you probably could not get away with it now, but something tells me that would not stop them trying. Its best to get on, there is no guarantee you will stay if you don't, they are quite ruthless, I have seen it.
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Don't know who the individual is, dont care.
Should the media get a name, there's enough additional info in this thread for a interesting article.
In the meantime, the public don't know who it is or was. So the professional standing off all pilots continues to be eroded.
Until the next procedural non compliance, indiscretion, cockpit brawl, arrest or character assassination.
The once proud profession of airline pilot continues its decline.
Should the media get a name, there's enough additional info in this thread for a interesting article.
In the meantime, the public don't know who it is or was. So the professional standing off all pilots continues to be eroded.
Until the next procedural non compliance, indiscretion, cockpit brawl, arrest or character assassination.
The once proud profession of airline pilot continues its decline.
Even if the Captain was in the right, the fact that he couldn't manage the situation without it descending into a farce, says a lot about his management skills. Someone shouldn't be commanding an airliner without impeccable people management skills.
Welcome to 1960's CRM with HamFan. Get real.
If it was really takeoff data related, the FO should have stepped in. If I were the FO, I would have said "I'm getting a coffee in the galley. If you two are still acting like school children rather than adult professionals by the time I get back, I'm getting off."
I've refused to get onboard with a Capt and CSM who were at each other and swearing in the crew room. Five mins later they cooled down, apologised and we boarded for a normal shift.
Seems to me the only one who did the right thing was the SO - had a concern and wanted it addressed to ensure the safety of his passengers. Spineless FO plus Captain who can't manage his crew/emotions makes for a pretty piss poor flight deck.
Wonder if the FO is getting tea & biccies too - probably should be.
You only have to punch data into an FMC once...
Speak up once to air an issue, fair enough.
Continue whining about it afterward when no one else is wading in and the capt has said his piece? Way out of line.
Speak up once to air an issue, fair enough.
Continue whining about it afterward when no one else is wading in and the capt has said his piece? Way out of line.
If it was really takeoff data related, the FO should have stepped in. If I were the FO, I would have said "I'm getting a coffee in the galley. If you two are still acting like school children rather than adult professionals by the time I get back, I'm getting off."
I've refused to get onboard with a Capt and CSM who were at each other and swearing in the crew room. Five mins later they cooled down, apologised and we boarded for a normal shift.
Seems to me the only one who did the right thing was the SO - had a concern and wanted it addressed to ensure the safety of his passengers. Spineless FO plus Captain who can't manage his crew/emotions makes for a pretty piss poor flight deck.
Wonder if the FO is getting tea & biccies too - probably should be.
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And here I am thinking that all Qantas Pilots/ Captains are so impecable . Without sin , even ? Well Boys and the odd girl stop wearing red ties and start behaving like adults . Is that too much to ask for ? Grow up stop whingeing and do what you are very well paid to do , yes fly the aircraft home safely , without punching the sh*t out of each other. The ground crew have been made redundant but you guys carry on like spoilt kids.
I assume the crew that took the a/c to DFW operated back to BNE after minimum rest; hence the 18 hour delay back to BNE.
I guess the report another crew were positioned to DFW to pick up the stranded passengers was inaccurate.
I guess the report another crew were positioned to DFW to pick up the stranded passengers was inaccurate.
Unless they positioned a crew from LAX. It's only a couple of hours away
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The said S/O is actually a very capable and competent operator with a lot of previous experience. And personally, IMHO, a quite decent bloke.
He is not one who would be afraid to speak up.......
Aside from being quite happy to have a beer with him any time, I'm very much looking forward to hearing his yarn!
He is not one who would be afraid to speak up.......
Aside from being quite happy to have a beer with him any time, I'm very much looking forward to hearing his yarn!
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Doesn't matter who was right or wrong in this sort of situation. Good on the SO for speaking up if he felt something was being done incorrectly. The Captain should have enough people skills to resolve this kind of dispute one way or another. It is a bit perplexing that the other crew onboard didn't seem to become involved one way or another, if after having the initial disagreement it can't be resolved because one or the other won't accept that they are wrong then you really should contact another impartial party for their help e.g. Duty Captain etc.
To get to the point where it is a full on yelling match with one or both feeling the only resolution is to walk off the job is a major failing in the Captains handling of this situation.
Once again, good on the more junior pilot for speaking up and holding his ground he truely believed there to be a safety issue, once again it doesn't matter if he was right, his concerns should be taken seriously and addressed until all parties are happy with the safety of the operation.
To get to the point where it is a full on yelling match with one or both feeling the only resolution is to walk off the job is a major failing in the Captains handling of this situation.
Once again, good on the more junior pilot for speaking up and holding his ground he truely believed there to be a safety issue, once again it doesn't matter if he was right, his concerns should be taken seriously and addressed until all parties are happy with the safety of the operation.
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