Once a pilot - now a computer's sidekick

[virginexcess]

How many crashes causal to the loss of the automatics are acceptable before anyone admits that we may have a problem?

You've nailed it Sarcs.

It will be when crashes causal to the loss of the automatics outweigh the historic evidence of crashes due to partial incapacitation or loss of SA caused by manual flying.

[Sarcs]

It will be when crashes causal to the loss of the automatics outweigh the historic evidence of crashes due to partial incapacitation or loss of SA caused by manual flying.

VE but surely it would be preferable to be proven wrong prior to the loss of lives due to a loss of automatics and subsequent mishandling while attempting to manually fly the aircraft.

Which is all the more reason that any Oz pilots with a pulse throw their support behind Senators X, Fawcett and co, to hold Albo's circus to Recommendation 9 of the report from the Senate Inquiry into 'Pilot Training and Airline Safety'.

Here is a copy of that recommendation in case anyone's forgotten:

[pakeha-boy]

Sarcs....would totally agree and anyone with a vested interest...I reckon that includes many and all...... would back this....no reason not to

Its easy to "monday morning half-back" the Air France crew......I have reservations about the accusations of their "abilitys" to fly this A/C manually.....I think this is is systemic of the environment that we now fly in

The degradation of our manual flight skills is a product of the redundancy of the A/C and systems that we now fly....for those of us that flew equipment before the so-called "new-generation" NG,I beleive will understand the differences.........the differences between 2 and 3 man crews,(which had its issues)the concepts of CRM.....and many more......

The sims rides we do anymore ,are crammed with so much B/S that I question the validity of the training,the fact of going through the 10-15 memory checklists(not all of them),so fast and furious,that that have no time to really seed and grow,in two 4 hr sessions every 6 mnths,split with the other crew member(which some airlines have manged to reduce to once a year)......

When airlines put more emphasis on the dollar cost of training,threats of having to pay for the next checkride yrself if you fail this one,and an attitude of looking at the "odds" of catastrophic failures because of past historys etc.........then you will always have issues,and we are not going forward,we are go backwards.......

Established airlines,legacy Airlines....etc have established themselves with crews that have gone through many training cycles and there hasnt been a huge turnover in pilots,,so the safety culture and the competency value is very high.....you just have to look at there records(in general).............the future will tell,but without experienced competent,seasoned pilots in the cockpit,....it can only lead to trouble