QF to get IPAD EFB
Originally Posted by romeocharlie
With the replacement of the tough book, and the iPads being 'delicate,' I'm curious as to how many get replaced before people start getting antsy about the cost. Surely a hell of a lot of cracked screens to come?
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Made the crews grow away their 3 year old Fujitsu Notebook EFB now ALL WiFi 3G iPad and luvvin it.
Goes to on board Wireless printer as well.
Made the crews grow away their 3 year old Fujitsu Notebook EFB now ALL WiFi 3G iPad and luvvin it.
Goes to on board Wireless printer as well.
Boeing Onboard Performance Solution for iPad to be Launched by Qantas
Flexible, mobile application integrates seamlessly with digital flight deck
Boeing [NYSE: BA] announced today that Qantas will be the launch customer for the Boeing Onboard Performance Tool (OPT) for iPad. The Onboard Performance Tool gives pilots the ideal speeds and engine settings for any aircraft, in any weather, on any runway. It helps to create vast gains in efficiency, range and payload. This marks the first time the OPT application has run on iPad. The Australian carrier will deploy the OPT for iPad on 130 of its Boeing airplanes in the fourth quarter of 2012.
The mobile OPT may be used as a standalone solution or as backup to Class 2 or 3 Electronic Flight Bag (EFB) applications. An Electronic Flight Bag replaces the pilot's traditional, heavy flight bag with a light hardware and software package that calculates performance, displays charts, improves taxi positional awareness, provides video flight deck entry surveillance and allows electronic access to documents. Use of an EFB improves flight data accuracy, ground reports and paper handling and storage costs. The original OPT application for EFB solutions has been available since early 2000 and has more than 120 customers.
"The mobile OPT is the latest of our industry-leading airplane applications, part of our Digital Airline solutions suite. It was developed to give our customers a marketplace advantage as they serve their customers and run the most efficient operations possible," said Per Noren, vice president of Information Services, Boeing Commercial Aviation Services. "Boeing has a unique portfolio of digital solutions and we're rapidly expanding it, making use of our existing and new, innovative technologies."
Captain David Oliver, head of Flight Technical for Qantas, notes, "The Boeing mobile OPT is very well aligned with our flight deck mobile strategy. We especially appreciate the OPT's remarkable flexibility, which allows us to define unique policies and configurations to suit our needs."
Since the initial offering in mid-July, more than 80 airlines have requested quotes or more information about OPT for iPad.
"We have been very successful in the marketplace with our existing OPT application, but our customers told us they wanted a version for iPad. When they talk, we listen, because we want to give them the competitive advantage they need to be successful every day," said John Maggiore, director of Airline Performance Management, Boeing Commercial Aviation Services. "That's all part of the Boeing Edge."
Boeing is continuously innovating and transforming a number of its existing and new applications to be deployed via mobile devices, in addition to developing entirely new applications.
Source : The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA)
Boeing [NYSE: BA] announced today that Qantas will be the launch customer for the Boeing Onboard Performance Tool (OPT) for iPad. The Onboard Performance Tool gives pilots the ideal speeds and engine settings for any aircraft, in any weather, on any runway. It helps to create vast gains in efficiency, range and payload. This marks the first time the OPT application has run on iPad. The Australian carrier will deploy the OPT for iPad on 130 of its Boeing airplanes in the fourth quarter of 2012.
The mobile OPT may be used as a standalone solution or as backup to Class 2 or 3 Electronic Flight Bag (EFB) applications. An Electronic Flight Bag replaces the pilot's traditional, heavy flight bag with a light hardware and software package that calculates performance, displays charts, improves taxi positional awareness, provides video flight deck entry surveillance and allows electronic access to documents. Use of an EFB improves flight data accuracy, ground reports and paper handling and storage costs. The original OPT application for EFB solutions has been available since early 2000 and has more than 120 customers.
"The mobile OPT is the latest of our industry-leading airplane applications, part of our Digital Airline solutions suite. It was developed to give our customers a marketplace advantage as they serve their customers and run the most efficient operations possible," said Per Noren, vice president of Information Services, Boeing Commercial Aviation Services. "Boeing has a unique portfolio of digital solutions and we're rapidly expanding it, making use of our existing and new, innovative technologies."
Captain David Oliver, head of Flight Technical for Qantas, notes, "The Boeing mobile OPT is very well aligned with our flight deck mobile strategy. We especially appreciate the OPT's remarkable flexibility, which allows us to define unique policies and configurations to suit our needs."
Since the initial offering in mid-July, more than 80 airlines have requested quotes or more information about OPT for iPad.
"We have been very successful in the marketplace with our existing OPT application, but our customers told us they wanted a version for iPad. When they talk, we listen, because we want to give them the competitive advantage they need to be successful every day," said John Maggiore, director of Airline Performance Management, Boeing Commercial Aviation Services. "That's all part of the Boeing Edge."
Boeing is continuously innovating and transforming a number of its existing and new applications to be deployed via mobile devices, in addition to developing entirely new applications.
Source : The Boeing Company (NYSE: BA)
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Who is going to explain to passengers why it is that they will be told to turn off any and all electronic devices during take off and landings for safety reasons and yet it's safe enough to use IPad's in the cockpit?
genxfrog:
Umm.... no one?
Perhaps you would be happier if we turned off all the electronics in the cockpit also? I mean, it's just not fair that us awful, elitist pilots should be allowed to use electronic things in there, is it?
Umm.... no one?
Perhaps you would be happier if we turned off all the electronics in the cockpit also? I mean, it's just not fair that us awful, elitist pilots should be allowed to use electronic things in there, is it?
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Who is going to explain to passengers why it is that they will be told to turn off any and all electronic devices during take off and landings for safety reasons and yet it's safe enough to use IPad's in the cockpit?
The approval of iPads in the cockpit are based on extensive testing of a PARTICULAR device (ie a certain model of the device), in a PARTICULAR configuration, in a PARTICULAR position in the flightdeck, running a PARTICULAR suite of installed software. This is extensively tested in a controlled environment, and once absence of interference with aircraft systems (for a PARTICULAR airline, on a PARTICULAR serial number(s) of aircraft) is established, - approval is granted.
If it makes you or any other passengers any happier, rest assured that no operational flight crew will be allowed to whip out their own personal iPad and play "Words With Friends" below 10.000’ either....
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Also, don't forget the roles insurance companies would be playing. Who is going to _guarantee_ 400 odd different smartphones _might_ not cause a problem?
However;
That being the case - is there really any benefit to crew having these things?
However;
If it makes you you others passengers any happier, rest assured that no operational flight crew will be allowed to whip out their own personal iPad and play "Words With Friends" below 10.000’ either....
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That being the case - is there really any benefit to crew having these things?
Spot on. They can sack the publications guys and reduce weight by removing the onboard publications and thus fuel burn. That's the only reason.
I had an interesting conversation with some groundstaff in Melbourne recently. At the time of the Ipad announcement they were told that their jobs were no longer required and would be made redundant from late this year. However, as a result of CASA requiring some additional legislation prior to the Ipad's operational use, these staff have been given "a stay of execution" until April next year.
We had a little chuckle at the timing. Plenty could happen between now and then.
We had a little chuckle at the timing. Plenty could happen between now and then.
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Ushuaia, the point I was making was that obviously there isn't a genuine safety issue with the use of electronic devices if pilots can use them in the cockpit. So why do we continue to treat the flying public, those that keep us employed in the industry, as idiots and tell them they have to turn theirs off during take off and landing? Simple analysis isn't it.
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genxfrog,
Tell me who would be liable then if pax had their laptops, iPads and other what nots out whilst taking off and heaven forbid something happened, like a rejected take off requiring evacuation, tray tables are going to be down so evacuation time increases, or after take off you hit turbulence. where do you think those objects are going to go. Hence why they can only be used when the seatbelt sign is turned off.
I for one don't want a laptop hitting me in the back of the head because some idiot has it out because he has "important" business stuff to do which cant wait 5 mins
Theres more to it than just interference with the aircraft. and with the electronics off the are less likely to be used
Tell me who would be liable then if pax had their laptops, iPads and other what nots out whilst taking off and heaven forbid something happened, like a rejected take off requiring evacuation, tray tables are going to be down so evacuation time increases, or after take off you hit turbulence. where do you think those objects are going to go. Hence why they can only be used when the seatbelt sign is turned off.
I for one don't want a laptop hitting me in the back of the head because some idiot has it out because he has "important" business stuff to do which cant wait 5 mins
Theres more to it than just interference with the aircraft. and with the electronics off the are less likely to be used
Nunc est bibendum
....obviously there isn't a genuine safety issue with the use of electronic devices if pilots can use them in the cockpit.
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Sunstrand, last time I checked it was ok to carry electronic devices in your hand or lap as long as they were turned off during take off or landing. The argument used is that having them turned on may cause interference with the aircrafts instrumentation.
What Keg said....
And furthermore: IF, IF, IF something in the cockpit starts to go haywire, such as a VNAV display discrepancy, or a LOC or G/S indicator bouncing around, or a VOR needle flickering on and off, AND the pilots suspect the powered-up iPad might be a factor, we can immediately turn them off. That's not so easy to do if it's possibly attributable to the 200 iPads powered up down the back.
Then again, all the things in the last paragraph happen now and then anyway, so we probably wouldn't attribute it to the iPad!
Genxfrog: the problem is, I hear people with your attitude all the time: "Why should the pilots be allowed use iPads/laptops/cameras/(insert electronic device here) when the passengers can't?" It really becomes an "us vs them" thing! They and you simply don't get it. We are IN CONTROL of the aircraft, you are not. Yes, you are the customer, you are important, you are "the reason we fly", but if there are config/compatibility issues with electronic devices we need to be in a position to fix/control the problem. Allowing unrestricted electronic device use by pax doesn't allow that. Electronic devices on the flight-deck, however: no drama. Can be turned off immediately if an issue.
I personally think the whole portable electronic device thing in aircraft is grossly overstated but I'm only the Captain, what would I know, so until the boffins get their act together in about 100 years and declare them safe then that's just life!
Hey - you have one over us pesky pilots: we cannot use Bluetooth devices in the cockpit at any time, but you can in the cabin. Happy?
Don't worry, I won't be checking my email on the iPad as I land. I'll do it in the turnaround over a quick coffee!
And furthermore: IF, IF, IF something in the cockpit starts to go haywire, such as a VNAV display discrepancy, or a LOC or G/S indicator bouncing around, or a VOR needle flickering on and off, AND the pilots suspect the powered-up iPad might be a factor, we can immediately turn them off. That's not so easy to do if it's possibly attributable to the 200 iPads powered up down the back.
Then again, all the things in the last paragraph happen now and then anyway, so we probably wouldn't attribute it to the iPad!
Genxfrog: the problem is, I hear people with your attitude all the time: "Why should the pilots be allowed use iPads/laptops/cameras/(insert electronic device here) when the passengers can't?" It really becomes an "us vs them" thing! They and you simply don't get it. We are IN CONTROL of the aircraft, you are not. Yes, you are the customer, you are important, you are "the reason we fly", but if there are config/compatibility issues with electronic devices we need to be in a position to fix/control the problem. Allowing unrestricted electronic device use by pax doesn't allow that. Electronic devices on the flight-deck, however: no drama. Can be turned off immediately if an issue.
I personally think the whole portable electronic device thing in aircraft is grossly overstated but I'm only the Captain, what would I know, so until the boffins get their act together in about 100 years and declare them safe then that's just life!
Hey - you have one over us pesky pilots: we cannot use Bluetooth devices in the cockpit at any time, but you can in the cabin. Happy?
Don't worry, I won't be checking my email on the iPad as I land. I'll do it in the turnaround over a quick coffee!
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Don't worry, I won't be checking my email on the iPad as I land. I'll do it in the turnaround over a quick coffee!
Indeed, Keg. Hadn't thought of that. All while flipping back and forth to the OzRunways app and monitoring the aircraft's progress down the GPS geomapped approach plate.
Next year's patter goes something like this?
"Posted to Timeline" "Checked"
"Outer Marker Height Checked" "Checked"
"Status update" "Checked"
"Minima - Visual" "Oh, I suppose I better look out the window. Ok, landing"
Next year's patter goes something like this?
"Posted to Timeline" "Checked"
"Outer Marker Height Checked" "Checked"
"Status update" "Checked"
"Minima - Visual" "Oh, I suppose I better look out the window. Ok, landing"
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