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Old 13th Jul 2012, 11:52
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boocs, some crew were less than enamoured with the idea with one particular F/O declaring that he'd refuse to carry one. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and blaming red wine for the outburst.
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Old 13th Jul 2012, 22:50
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iPads are pretty good

I've been using EFBs for years, recently supplemented with iPad. However, the iPad has become my weapon of choice because it's more readable. It's not mounted: I just leave it loose in a pocket next to me with the chart I'm using left open. Occasionally I'll make some self-briefing notes on a writing pad stuck to the yoke.

I also have the entire suite of OEM documents on the iPad as well as various off-the-shelf databases available as apps from the store. It's also easy to search the Jeppesen Airway Manuals (if you have Flight DecK on iPad) and all the PDFs are indexed, so the links work.

I keep detailed briefing notes for various destinations on it and they don't get lost. I haven't carried a NAV bag for years.

Some overseas regulators are coming to grips with paperless flight decks and have varying needs to cover redundancy.

If I had to go back to paper, I would see it as a huge step back.
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Old 14th Jul 2012, 01:39
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iPad EFB

Oi, Baswell, Shagpile, here's ya money shot. OzRunways anyone?
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Old 14th Jul 2012, 01:50
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Fmc has only track/ dist and actual altitude at waypoints, not minimum altitudes. Shall I go on?
Really????
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Old 14th Jul 2012, 03:13
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The move to EFBs, or even just simply an iPad for plate referencing in flight, is leading to more empire building at CASA. God only knows what tripe will come our of their CAAP, which will no doubt be well out of touch with reality. One FOI recently remarked to me that suction cup ram mounts attached to the side window won't be permitted. Not everyone wants/needs to fully integrate such devices into the flight environment. What a joke...
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Old 17th Jul 2012, 10:10
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Fmc has only track/ dist and actual altitude at waypoints, not minimum altitudes. Shall I go on?
Wrong - FMCs have minimum, maximum, hard AND soft altitudes ejectx

7000B, 7000A, 7000 or 7000
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Old 17th Jul 2012, 10:54
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I think he was talking about altitudes as displayed on the EHSI on the 767? Pre Pegasus upgrade they don't necessarily have the altitude displayed at the next waypoint.

What was the original point again?
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Old 17th Jul 2012, 10:59
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I don't think an approach chart indicates all obstacles, whether terrain or other objects.

Ie: circling at an altitude above the highest charted obstacle may not guarantee appropriate obstacle clearance.
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Old 18th Jul 2012, 06:12
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I have an iPad with Jeppesen on it and it is fantastic. Always up-to-date no more amendments. Simple to use and faster than those cumbersome folders. I have a holder/suction cup which I attach to the window. It goes exactly where I want it. Not where some expert thinks it should go, or can be fitted. How this can damage 2 inches if glass is beyond me. The map pack is also easy to use. With the aircraft position on the map it sure is easier than folding big unwieldy charts.
In respect to CASA, I know a couple of FOI's who think they are the ducks guts.
If this is the future then bring it on
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Old 31st Jul 2012, 02:13
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CASA Approved ??

Hi All,
With the use of the IPAD on the Flight Deck does anyone know if it has actually been approved for use or is it still in the approval stages ??

Thanks
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Old 31st Jul 2012, 14:23
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Still in the approval stage, slated to be approved by CASA shortly.
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Old 31st Jul 2012, 14:26
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Yeah well I use one and they don't necessarily have minimum altitudes in the legs page. Have a look next time you fly .

The various 7000a, 7000, 7000b etc is not necessarily the height for the segment that you need to set in the mcp, it is the appropriate height at that specific waypoint.

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Old 1st Aug 2012, 11:00
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With the replacement of the tough book, and the iPads being 'delicate,' I'm curious as to how many get replaced before people start getting antsy about the cost. Surely a hell of a lot of cracked screens to come?
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Old 1st Aug 2012, 12:45
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....some crew were less than enamoured with the idea with one particular F/O declaring that he'd refuse to carry one.
In defence of certain "detractors", most of it was about clarifying the protocols regarding downloading and use of apps etc, in the face of apparently contradictory advice from certain individuals, whilst still wholeheartedly supporting the general principle.

I was one of the above. Trying to get an answer which wasn't contradicted by someone else 5 minutes later was more painful than extracting teeth. Although I admit to being a little surprised at the position of the F/O described above! Seemed a bit silly to me.

I look forward to it. I just hope Qantas doesn't stuff it up and make it difficult like many of their other IT implementations. Too pessimistic?
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 02:36
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This is a good thing, and there are a number of airlines in the US now solely using iPads. But - how can they do it in advance of slow lumbering CASA changing the regulations?
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 02:56
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I've heard there will be a requirement along the lines of minimum 90% charge prior to departure and all updates complete.
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 03:49
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WHy does an iPad have to be approved? Surely it is just a medium to display authorised charts?
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 04:39
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The FAA require rapid decompression and electromagnetic interference testing for each individual iPad. Some units fail.
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 05:59
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The FAA require rapid decompression and electromagnetic interference testing for each individual iPad. Some units fail.
Are you sure about that? I have a done a lot of EMI testing in the last six months and only ever tested one of each device/aircraft. Subsequent devices and aircraft are considered to be OK. Some engineering types might be able to clarify.

And what of other devices? Android? Saw today that Jeppesen have charts available in android format, how long have they had these? Will I soon be able to use a Galaxy Tab in place of (i)products?
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Old 2nd Aug 2012, 06:09
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WHy does an iPad have to be approved? Surely it is just a medium to display authorised charts?
Aunty CASA considers EFB's to be cockpit equipment.

Seriously, there are some issues to consider. Mainly about power, backup & updates. But I would have thought a few guys in a room could draft a regulation in an afternoon (especially when you've got the FAA to follow), not the 12 months & counting that the current committee is taking.

But, right wrong or indifferent I don't understand how Qantas can implement this without a supporting CASA regulation.
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