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Here we go again...I suppose it is a rumour network, but KellyK can you please prove your statement about huge salaries? My mates alway talk about some friend earning "heaps", so I ask how much do they actually earn, the usual answer is "well I don't know actually". Can you substantiate your claim?
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There would be a handful of crew on the same or more than the EK figure quoted. Most would be management or supervisory pilots on the 744 or 380. The other 2200 pilots are on less.
Saw a management pilot in Singapore recently. Recognized him by the lack of a spine.
Saw a management pilot in Singapore recently. Recognized him by the lack of a spine.
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Originally Posted by kellykelpie
I can't show a payslip, no.
i'm always getting told what I earn by folks on other fleets, strangely enough they are always waaaay out. 
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Yeh Maggot, I find it frustrating.
It's like whenever the government spokespeople get on the tv news & say that they are compensating families for the increase in cost of living for the carbon tax....wrong!....if you are not entitled to either family tax benefit, you don't get any compensation (no education tax rebate for the kids, you have to pay full flood levy, no Rudd handouts, etc, etc).
I just wish they'd be honest & tell the truth, not everyone is getting "looked after".
Before you say that because we earn good coin, we don't deserve compensation, I think that is very unfair. For example, if they want to recover money for Queensland floods (who didn't have adequate insurance BTW) then we should ALL pay an amount relative to what we earn. Why should some members of the workforce pay all the bills!! & Where is the motivation to work harder & earn more???
Sorry, now I've really gone off thread.....
It's like whenever the government spokespeople get on the tv news & say that they are compensating families for the increase in cost of living for the carbon tax....wrong!....if you are not entitled to either family tax benefit, you don't get any compensation (no education tax rebate for the kids, you have to pay full flood levy, no Rudd handouts, etc, etc).
I just wish they'd be honest & tell the truth, not everyone is getting "looked after".
Before you say that because we earn good coin, we don't deserve compensation, I think that is very unfair. For example, if they want to recover money for Queensland floods (who didn't have adequate insurance BTW) then we should ALL pay an amount relative to what we earn. Why should some members of the workforce pay all the bills!! & Where is the motivation to work harder & earn more???
Sorry, now I've really gone off thread.....
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Failing the Integrity Test
Bigboeingboy,
As a well-known member of the COM, the very fact that you started this thread, as well as the tone, level and style of your first and only post before handing over to your alter ego CaptCloudbuster, shows that you lack both the integrity and the maturity to adequately represent the membership. I expect that other members of the COM might be a little hesitant to involve themselves in the full and frank discussions that the COM must have to function well if the likelihood is that anything that doesn't go James' way end up on public forums like PPRuNe. I'm guessing WorthWhat is another (unimaginative) one of your collection of profiles.
for the CaptCloudbuster types,
Neither the COM nor the Executive are going to please everyone. There are some unrealistic expectations among the members and there are some real-world realities involved in running professional associations that require the balancing of political, legal, financial and welfare outcomes. Consensus is a worthy aim (no pun intended) but is rarely achieved - the Executive exists to provided direction and consistency in decision-making because a consensus model lacks agility and timeliness.
As for 'young leadership', how does the age demographic of the COM look? Right now, AIPA enjoys a political and public profile that reflects maturity, a respect for the travelling public and measured responses to industrial and business circumstances. That profile is gold in the long game - a game that is essential for the future of the members.
The hard-won respect from many quarters that AIPA currently has is easily thrown away by those who want everything 'now' but lack the experience, credibility or stategic vision to be able to tell the difference between self-indulgent noise and a considered and measured response. Not all current decisions are suitable for detailed explanation while the games are still afoot, particularly if there are members of the COM who do not, or perhaps cannot, understand the need for maturity and integrity in dealing with the materials that are placed before them during the deliberations of the COM.
So, be careful what you wish for....
As a well-known member of the COM, the very fact that you started this thread, as well as the tone, level and style of your first and only post before handing over to your alter ego CaptCloudbuster, shows that you lack both the integrity and the maturity to adequately represent the membership. I expect that other members of the COM might be a little hesitant to involve themselves in the full and frank discussions that the COM must have to function well if the likelihood is that anything that doesn't go James' way end up on public forums like PPRuNe. I'm guessing WorthWhat is another (unimaginative) one of your collection of profiles.
for the CaptCloudbuster types,
Neither the COM nor the Executive are going to please everyone. There are some unrealistic expectations among the members and there are some real-world realities involved in running professional associations that require the balancing of political, legal, financial and welfare outcomes. Consensus is a worthy aim (no pun intended) but is rarely achieved - the Executive exists to provided direction and consistency in decision-making because a consensus model lacks agility and timeliness.
As for 'young leadership', how does the age demographic of the COM look? Right now, AIPA enjoys a political and public profile that reflects maturity, a respect for the travelling public and measured responses to industrial and business circumstances. That profile is gold in the long game - a game that is essential for the future of the members.
The hard-won respect from many quarters that AIPA currently has is easily thrown away by those who want everything 'now' but lack the experience, credibility or stategic vision to be able to tell the difference between self-indulgent noise and a considered and measured response. Not all current decisions are suitable for detailed explanation while the games are still afoot, particularly if there are members of the COM who do not, or perhaps cannot, understand the need for maturity and integrity in dealing with the materials that are placed before them during the deliberations of the COM.
So, be careful what you wish for....
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com cleaner...
idiot.
i think you'll find that the agenda of those who you think 'want it all now' is actually just to ensure we get a shot at it some of it, eventually.
FWIW i think the COM overall do a good job, and have supported them as such.
id say this thread has run its course....
idiot.
i think you'll find that the agenda of those who you think 'want it all now' is actually just to ensure we get a shot at it some of it, eventually.
FWIW i think the COM overall do a good job, and have supported them as such.
id say this thread has run its course....
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As one who is not on the COM, I find it a little distressing that our elected representatives are stabbing one another in the back on a public forum.
Perhaps this discussion should be moved to Qrewroom where you can carry on this nonsense in full view of the membership, and without the pseudonyms to hide behind.
Perhaps this discussion should be moved to Qrewroom where you can carry on this nonsense in full view of the membership, and without the pseudonyms to hide behind.
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I am not really sure that there is any more than one COM member commenting on this thread. The characterisation of BBB as one of the COM members I find a tad ludicrous. BBB strikes me as a troll..
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If that's the case then James has been slandered and should take it further.
Originally Posted by Capt Kremin
BBB strikes me as a troll
