Aviation Survey Discussion

[stubby jumbo]

......I'll have a go Steve - but not as far as betting my left nut !

VIRGIN = 76%
ALLIANCE = 66%
QANTAS = 22%

Look, I am also retired, and my old work mates are telling me how they struggle to understand what Alan Joyce is doing to their company. He seems hellbent on turning Qantas into a low cost carrier no matter what. Anyone would think that he is getting a huge bonus to do so.

I am also one of the lucky one's who retired a while back.

Let me tell you -every time I see a former colleague or any one working for QF for that matter ....its the same.

"AJ and is a turkey, Board haven't a clue and we (staff) have all had a gutful and are working on an exit strategy".

And lets not even start on ........Staff Travel when this all turns to ****e !

[UPPERLOBE]

And lets not even start on ........Staff Travel when this all turns to ****e

A minor issue I know, I worked for QF for 40 years, at sometime during the latter bits they brought in a rule with regard to the usage of long service free trips after retirement. I (amongst many others I know) neglected to use my 40 year free trip within five years of retiring and sure enough they sucked it back.

To me it's a lot like people who get a gold watch after 40 years service being told to hand it back because you haven't worn it in five years.

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Any other guesses on the trust management question?

[Livs Hairdresser]

Dunno about the others but :

Qantas 3%

I'm feeling generous today.

[IAW]

Qantas: 0%
Virgin: 75%
Alliance 90%

[V-Jet]

I can't see how _anyone_ could support what management have done - well except for the dishrag that appears on TV occasionally. If it isn't 0 it would be very, very close to it.

I'll put my money on 0 - with the caveat that it could be slightly higher if dishrag and friends responded.

Probably a direct photo negative (i.e. directly inverse) of that other red tailed company with whats-his-name again at the helm..

[ejectx3]

My left nut is nervous

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

Remember managers are responding to the survey also at a current rate of about 3%.

[V-Jet]

That would make Qf leadership respect at a maximum of 3%, but I would make an educated guess not _all_ of them are happy watching massed rogerings occurring, so in all I reckon from that 2.5% for Qantas, 90+% for VBA. Alliance 65 - 70

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[ejectx3]

Any final results or lawyers it a halt to this?

[ALAEA Fed Sec]

On the legal side of things I can only say this - no comment.

Just working now to get the information professionally presented.

[Ngineer]

One of the greatest advertisers of a company is it's staff. And I think that the results showing what % of staff would recommend this company (and subsequently any subids) to their friends is a very sad reflection of where we have gone. Especially as alot of our customers were the Aussie public, a great proportion of which usually knows someone who works at QF.

After reading the latest internal email regarding docking of pay for those unfortunate enough to be rostered when MOD came into effect and who maybe tried to do what they thought was morally the right and legal thing and safest thing to do I thought is it hardly any wonder?

What would you say at a BBQ if asked about the safety of this airline and Australia's new system of maint, and our government?

[Managers Perspective]

What would you say at a BBQ if asked about the safety of this airline and Australia's new system of maint, and our government?

I would say that we are now just starting to catch up to world standards.

The changes are fully supported by the major aircraft manufacturers and government.

But as we progress there are those that are adversely affected by the change, and some of those are squealing like pigs as they try to hold on to the "good old days" when there was plenty of profit in the business.

MP

[Ngineer]

I would say that we are now just starting to catch up to world standards.

Thanks for a good laugh MP!!

[Redpanda]

We are heading down to world standards.........

Roll on 31st of August, and I'm out of this Reduced Standards industry.

Let the crooked management Reap what they sow.

There's no integrity left...............

[Jethro Gibbs]

Another 100 announced to go today should have a rolling counter for job loses.

[ampclamp]

Where are the losses from Jethro?

EDIT apparently component maint area.

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[Jethro Gibbs]

Once again the media knows before the employees and unions .

[Nassensteins Monster]

MP

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What would you say at a BBQ if asked about the safety of this airline and Australia's new system of maint, and our government?
I would say that we are now just starting to catch up to world standards.

The changes are fully supported by the major aircraft manufacturers and government.

But as we progress there are those that are adversely affected by the change, and some of those are squealing like pigs as they try to hold on to the "good old days" when there was plenty of profit in the business.

MP

MP it behoves you to read the transcript of the FWA hearing on 14 June re MoD. Available here.

It's revealing that from testimony provided by QF management, every domestic operator EXCEPT QANTAS provides pilots with classroom preflight check training and the latest safety and maintenance updates LAMEs receive. It's revealing - and appalling - that the FWA commissioners make specific mention of those facts.

So at a BBQ when asked if Qantas Domestic is still safe to fly I have a moral obligation to reply rather equivocally "well yes, but less so than every other operator including Tiger, and here's why (for the two reasons stated above)."