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So if we described that mindset to a psychiatrist, what do you think her prognosis would be?
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Some of us do have the courage of our convictions.
However, having the courage of your conviction may mean staying on and trying to do the right thing from the inside. Furthermore, for most people I am sure that the practical reality is that it's just a job and an area where your convictions don't take primacy in life .
That doesn't make what is going on right. Silence is not consent.
As to the psychology - pretty sure that it's already been equated to long-term prisoners.
However, having the courage of your conviction may mean staying on and trying to do the right thing from the inside. Furthermore, for most people I am sure that the practical reality is that it's just a job and an area where your convictions don't take primacy in life .
That doesn't make what is going on right. Silence is not consent.
As to the psychology - pretty sure that it's already been equated to long-term prisoners.
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Some of us do have the courage of our convictions.
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Would that be the Tony Mathews of the RFDS?
One hopes that his allegiance towards commonsense will prevail, but I feel sure that will be sorely tested.
As for the others - "Quid lucrum istic mihi est."
The more things change, . . . . . .
One hopes that his allegiance towards commonsense will prevail, but I feel sure that will be sorely tested.
As for the others - "Quid lucrum istic mihi est."
The more things change, . . . . . .
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Yep, gotta lawyer up cos they know how aviation is done 
hiway, I don't think I can give you an assessment eloquent enough on the technology pipeline without putting myself 'in it.' There's a lot of good in ASA spoilt by one or two that have the power to spoil it unfortunately.
Courage of convictions could mean a whole lot of things couldn't it? You don't have to up and leave an organisation because you think management has lost it's way.
hiway, I don't think I can give you an assessment eloquent enough on the technology pipeline without putting myself 'in it.' There's a lot of good in ASA spoilt by one or two that have the power to spoil it unfortunately.
Courage of convictions could mean a whole lot of things couldn't it? You don't have to up and leave an organisation because you think management has lost it's way.
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Yes, it's been published
Violent air traffic controllers threaten passenger safety | Global Travel Media
Workplace outbursts, drinking, threats and other incidents among air traffic controllers have implications for passenger safety, whistleblowers fear.
Queensland’s Sunday Mail published at the weekend details of documents released under Freedom of Information laws, which it said had disclosed “65 critical cases of misconduct since June 2010 – 16 against air traffic controllers”.
Independent senator Nick Xenophon called Air Services Australia was a deeply dysfunctional organisation responsible for safety in Australia’s sky.
Serious cases exposed by the paper included:
An traffic controller who swore and threw a mug down a control tower stairwell after seeing the Christmas roster.
Another controller sent to counselling after threatening violence against a fellow worker.
A head-office worker sacked after the reasons why he took leave became clear. He took leave to go to jail on three counts of indecency – and he was facing a further 19 criminal charges.
A worker forced to apologise to the general manager of safety and to retract inappropriate comments after sending him an unseemly email.
A rescue worker who had been seen drinking alcohol during his lunch break resigned in April 2011 after refusing to take a breath test.
A worker was found to be sleeping on the job numerous times.
The Air Transport Safety Bureau has ordered a review of Air Services Australia after too many close calls in the air. The ATSB confirmed that staff culture was a main factor being investigated.
Written by : William Sykes
Workplace outbursts, drinking, threats and other incidents among air traffic controllers have implications for passenger safety, whistleblowers fear.
Queensland’s Sunday Mail published at the weekend details of documents released under Freedom of Information laws, which it said had disclosed “65 critical cases of misconduct since June 2010 – 16 against air traffic controllers”.
Independent senator Nick Xenophon called Air Services Australia was a deeply dysfunctional organisation responsible for safety in Australia’s sky.
Serious cases exposed by the paper included:
An traffic controller who swore and threw a mug down a control tower stairwell after seeing the Christmas roster.
Another controller sent to counselling after threatening violence against a fellow worker.
A head-office worker sacked after the reasons why he took leave became clear. He took leave to go to jail on three counts of indecency – and he was facing a further 19 criminal charges.
A worker forced to apologise to the general manager of safety and to retract inappropriate comments after sending him an unseemly email.
A rescue worker who had been seen drinking alcohol during his lunch break resigned in April 2011 after refusing to take a breath test.
A worker was found to be sleeping on the job numerous times.
The Air Transport Safety Bureau has ordered a review of Air Services Australia after too many close calls in the air. The ATSB confirmed that staff culture was a main factor being investigated.
Written by : William Sykes
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Recall the name of this thread.
Management failure. BTW- did anyone check to see if TFN was in the clink? 'Head-office worker'- what an interesting oxymoron!
Management failure. BTW- did anyone check to see if TFN was in the clink? 'Head-office worker'- what an interesting oxymoron!
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ferris - Management failure.
Step back and think for a moment of the ATC guy handling your departure or arrival at a busy terminal as a 'member' of the flight crew, things take on a different slant. I wouldn't want anyone with problems like this on the flight deck, but there they are on COM 1. Here is an essential team member stuck in a pressure cooker, badly managed, frustrated, angry, half asleep, denied options and probably under the pump at home due to overtime forcing another cancelled attendance at #2 son's birthday party.
As a Captain – I am responsible for the safety of the aircraft and must rely heavily on many other folk to get from A – B in one piece. ATC are IMO, one of the essential safety measures relied upon; and, I for one would like to think that the voice on COM 1 is at least partially sane, well rested, properly trained and not likely to pop a circuit breaker at a critical time.
Is this an issue for pilots ?; is it part of the complete mess our total air safety system is in ? – you betcha.
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More premature shiny suit backslapping over the weekend before another project goes belly up. Climate of fear engendered by TFN takes another scalp. His legacy lives on.
Definition of insanity : doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
Definition of insanity : doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
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I believe they are referring to the transition to the new Broome Tower and the INTAS project.
Lasted around 24 hours, major problems and then a rollback (enhancement) to the old tower.
Awaiting a press release about robust safety procedures and how this latest debacle again emphasises ASAs committment to the travelling public.
You can't polish it, but you can roll it in glitter.
Lasted around 24 hours, major problems and then a rollback (enhancement) to the old tower.
Awaiting a press release about robust safety procedures and how this latest debacle again emphasises ASAs committment to the travelling public.
You can't polish it, but you can roll it in glitter.
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On the button with the project involved. PIR will be interesting - shortcut city.
Probably the wrong word, scalp. Although someone will probably go tits up from somewhere, more likely in PD.
Was more referring to the systemic problem with the organisational obsession with schedule over quality, especially first of type as in this case.
"Major problem" as in "dangerous" and "rooted" and "what the hell just happened?" "Major" as in "how the heck do we fix this?"
Probably the wrong word, scalp. Although someone will probably go tits up from somewhere, more likely in PD.
Was more referring to the systemic problem with the organisational obsession with schedule over quality, especially first of type as in this case.
"Major problem" as in "dangerous" and "rooted" and "what the hell just happened?" "Major" as in "how the heck do we fix this?"
Anyone of you ATCers know about this 'BOS' event...or is it just another storm in a teacup??
Tiger A320, VIP jet get too close near Melbourne Airport | Plane Talking
Investigation: AO-2012-085 - Breakdown of Separation - Airbus A320-232, VH-VNC, and Bombarder, BD-700, N70PS, 20 km NW of Melbourne Airport, Victoria, 20 June 2012
err.....broken record.....
Two mid-air misses at Melbourne in two days being examined | Plane Talking
Investigation: AO-2012-087 - Breakdown of separation - Boeing 737-438, VH-TJS / Fairchild SA227, VH-MYI, 28 km E Melbourne Airport, VIC, 21 June 2012
Tiger A320, VIP jet get too close near Melbourne Airport | Plane Talking
Investigation: AO-2012-085 - Breakdown of Separation - Airbus A320-232, VH-VNC, and Bombarder, BD-700, N70PS, 20 km NW of Melbourne Airport, Victoria, 20 June 2012
err.....broken record.....
Two mid-air misses at Melbourne in two days being examined | Plane Talking
Investigation: AO-2012-087 - Breakdown of separation - Boeing 737-438, VH-TJS / Fairchild SA227, VH-MYI, 28 km E Melbourne Airport, VIC, 21 June 2012
Hempy after having a repeat read of this thread, although very educational and a must read for all knuckle draggers, I can well understand why!
Sounds like something has to give soon...as GD says TICK TOCK!
Sounds like something has to give soon...as GD says TICK TOCK!
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When youve been in ATC for a while you know that youre only one sleepless night or arguement with the wife from having a really bad day. Thats why we dont get judgemental until the facts are known.
There may be systemic issues at play or it may just be a slip. These may even have some pilot error component. Airservices, for all its failings, does (IMHO) internal investigations pretty well.
Not been an apologist just being a realist.
When youve been in ATC for a while you know that youre only one sleepless night or arguement with the wife from having a really bad day. Thats why we dont get judgemental until the facts are known.
There may be systemic issues at play or it may just be a slip. These may even have some pilot error component. Airservices, for all its failings, does (IMHO) internal investigations pretty well.
Not been an apologist just being a realist.
Its not only ATC....
Applied in February for an AirServices decision......
Asked 4 months later whats up.
Was told be said AsA person, we are understaffed and have not attended to your request, only to be told that my request is only relevant for pilots & air traffic controllers anyway.....WTF (
) when I voice my displeasure..... they hung up. Thats AsA customer service for you.
Went into overdrive and climbed the tree of knowledge....
Only to be told today by said AsA person boss that they have not got the manpower to attend to the request, they have not even looked at the paperwork, it will be a minimum 6 months before any action and they have no answer.....
No Answer
No Excuse
No Apology
Guaranteed when my next lot of airways charges come and I say sorry I am understaffed and have not looked into yet, and wont for another 6 months they will be on my case, faster than a fat man on a ham sandwich, with legal threats from $1000 p/h solicitors.
Yet they can charge the arse out of operators for services....$800,000,000+ in turnover & make multimillion dollar profits.
Airspace Closures, TIBA's and cant get the paperwork done...... but as the lady said, thats only something pilots and air traffic controllers use.
WOFTAM
Applied in February for an AirServices decision......
Asked 4 months later whats up.
Was told be said AsA person, we are understaffed and have not attended to your request, only to be told that my request is only relevant for pilots & air traffic controllers anyway.....WTF (
) when I voice my displeasure..... they hung up. Thats AsA customer service for you.Went into overdrive and climbed the tree of knowledge....
Only to be told today by said AsA person boss that they have not got the manpower to attend to the request, they have not even looked at the paperwork, it will be a minimum 6 months before any action and they have no answer.....
No Answer
No Excuse
No Apology
Guaranteed when my next lot of airways charges come and I say sorry I am understaffed and have not looked into yet, and wont for another 6 months they will be on my case, faster than a fat man on a ham sandwich, with legal threats from $1000 p/h solicitors.
Yet they can charge the arse out of operators for services....$800,000,000+ in turnover & make multimillion dollar profits.
Airspace Closures, TIBA's and cant get the paperwork done...... but as the lady said, thats only something pilots and air traffic controllers use.
WOFTAM