Jetstar pilots fatigued?
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Jetstar pilots fatigued?
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What a load of crap. Fatigued?
If you are really fatigued, you aren't at work.
If you are tired at work, you manage it appropriately. You certainly don't play with your phone on final approach.
What a crock and a (phenomenally) sad indictment of where pilot standards have gone for the QANTAS group.
Where does it end? The smoking hole?
If you are really fatigued, you aren't at work.
If you are tired at work, you manage it appropriately. You certainly don't play with your phone on final approach.
What a crock and a (phenomenally) sad indictment of where pilot standards have gone for the QANTAS group.
Where does it end? The smoking hole?
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Captain was sacked and FO put through the ringer!
Just Cultue at its best at CRO Airways...
CRO use the CAO 48 exemption as a target and i'd bet certain managers KPI's are based on it..if they do not meet it, they'll probably be sacked!
It's one farked up joint
Just Cultue at its best at CRO Airways...
CRO use the CAO 48 exemption as a target and i'd bet certain managers KPI's are based on it..if they do not meet it, they'll probably be sacked!
It's one farked up joint
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tick tock, is the clock keeping you awake?? What did that american study find?? Back of the clock performance can be on par with 2 beers per hour. But hey, the tickets are cheap!!!!!
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I read the ABC's report of it just after the crikey planetalking piece by Ben Sandilands. I dont know if the ABC are being fed news by jetstar press release but it sure has been turfed over pretty well as a fatigue issue not a careless, pre occupied, tired pilot who then flew back issue. I'd rather swim home from Asia.
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If they weren't fatigued what other reasonable explanation is there? Even if the Capt was distracted the FO was flying, didn't configure the aircraft, hadn't completed the landing checks, didn't confirm stabilised... what was he doing?
If, on the other hand he was fatigued, then that is a reasonable explanation for his performance (not an excuse, a reason). The fact that they then flew back to DWN...
If, on the other hand he was fatigued, then that is a reasonable explanation for his performance (not an excuse, a reason). The fact that they then flew back to DWN...
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Now this cannot be, I just cannot believe it can happen to such great pilots. Around the world in bars, crew lounges and restaurants, I always hear pilots from those parts of the world swearing on their nans' graves that only they are such naturals with such inbuilt discipline that such things can never ever happen to them. Must be some date rape drugs or really super chronic fatigue or really lousy radar vectoring by SIN ATC that caused them to be distracted and disoriented.
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* Professionalism & Standards
* Complacency
* Situational Awareness (confusion)
* Poor Communication
* Easily distracted
* Following Procedures
* Assertiveness
* Prioritisation
* Pushing on when fatigued
* Teamwork
"passengers deserve better"
* Complacency
* Situational Awareness (confusion)
* Poor Communication
* Easily distracted
* Following Procedures
* Assertiveness
* Prioritisation
* Pushing on when fatigued
* Teamwork
"passengers deserve better"
The Captain wasn't sacked. He left of his own accord.
The FO was retrained and is back on the line.
The Captain now resides at Tiger.
How many times has your phone been buzzing in your pocket on final? I think the old saying those in glass houses comes to mind.......
The FO was retrained and is back on the line.
The Captain now resides at Tiger.
How many times has your phone been buzzing in your pocket on final? I think the old saying those in glass houses comes to mind.......
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Gees, in our day there was no way you could ring the missus on short finals and tell her to have the scotch and dry ready, oh, and a nice curry would be something different. You just hoped for the best, (and often in vain). Things sure have changed.
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How many times has your phone been buzzing in your pocket on final? I think the old saying those in glass houses comes to mind.......
To say the Captain left of his own accord is like saying Rudd stepped down because he thought Julia could do a better job than he could.
The Captain basically failed in his duty to monitor the other pilot who was PF. The report also states that the Captain's response to the aircraft not being stable was to put the gear down and apply forward pressure on the side stick! The F/Os reason for disconnecting the A/P was flawed and both pilots could have taken the opportunity for controlled rest on the way from DN if they were feeling tired. Blaming it on fatigue is a bit rich as they both agreed to fly it back to DN on what was the worst part of the duty, the BOC part.
The incident occurred because of a complete breakdown in crew co-ordination. Who is responsible for that? Ultimately its the bloke who is wearing the four bars. Some people like the paycheck without the responsibility. As it has been stated many times those who think CRM is a load of PC crap are the ones who need it most.
Certainly not one of Jetstar's finest hours but they have to work with what they inherited.
The Captain basically failed in his duty to monitor the other pilot who was PF. The report also states that the Captain's response to the aircraft not being stable was to put the gear down and apply forward pressure on the side stick! The F/Os reason for disconnecting the A/P was flawed and both pilots could have taken the opportunity for controlled rest on the way from DN if they were feeling tired. Blaming it on fatigue is a bit rich as they both agreed to fly it back to DN on what was the worst part of the duty, the BOC part.
The incident occurred because of a complete breakdown in crew co-ordination. Who is responsible for that? Ultimately its the bloke who is wearing the four bars. Some people like the paycheck without the responsibility. As it has been stated many times those who think CRM is a load of PC crap are the ones who need it most.
Certainly not one of Jetstar's finest hours but they have to work with what they inherited.
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the checklists .......Before start Checklist...and the...Decent and Approach.....and...Landing Checklists...........will now include.......
Phones off.......PF/PNF......PHONE OFF-CHECKED
Phones off.......PF/PNF......PHONE OFF-CHECKED
ahh, the excuses...