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People here regularly complain about and bash the government.
Can I ask that everyone seriously consider what it will be like if the Liberals win the next election and there is no FWA and a new version of Work Choices is introduced?
It will not be pretty. I understand it is very fashionable to criticise our female PM, however we will all really be in the sh&# in our industry if the alternative comes into power. I understand that after the QLD election this is looking quite possible.
A lot of criticism is being directed at FWA. The option of no FWA is not a very good one though. The Liberal government do support Big Business. What big business want they get. The Liberal government want to squash the unions. I am not suggesting that Labor is faultless and that its all beer and skittles. But think seriously about this issue. It will affect us, our friends, our families, our children, and the environment we all like to enjoy on our days off.
Can I ask that everyone seriously consider what it will be like if the Liberals win the next election and there is no FWA and a new version of Work Choices is introduced?
It will not be pretty. I understand it is very fashionable to criticise our female PM, however we will all really be in the sh&# in our industry if the alternative comes into power. I understand that after the QLD election this is looking quite possible.
A lot of criticism is being directed at FWA. The option of no FWA is not a very good one though. The Liberal government do support Big Business. What big business want they get. The Liberal government want to squash the unions. I am not suggesting that Labor is faultless and that its all beer and skittles. But think seriously about this issue. It will affect us, our friends, our families, our children, and the environment we all like to enjoy on our days off.
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Can I ask that everyone seriously consider what it will be like if the Liberals win the next election and there is no FWA and a new version of Work Choices is introduced?
At least a capitalist admits he/she is only in it for himself!
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'Shirley' this is a wind up! Ya can't be serious
The Qld defeat was a HUGE wake up call for Juliar' so hopefully it will filter down to the bottom where the current Govt lie!
Anyway the Mods won't let this thread last too long but for now it is funny!
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The Qld defeat was a HUGE wake up call for Juliar' so hopefully it will filter down to the bottom where the current Govt lie!
Anyway the Mods won't let this thread last too long but for now it is funny!
Wmk2
And the alternative is equility via wealth distribution which discourages investment and growth.
When things look bad whack another tax on and try to tax their way into surplus and so fourth. The liberals will grow us via private enterprise. Labor just taxes private enterprise and they take their investments elsewhere.
In the "good times" of liberal government the total budget was 100 billion less than what the labor government currently enjoy in the bad times.
One must ask where that extra 100 billion is going!!
Burn the red witch I say.
P.s do you think the libs will go back to work choices after being told NO overwhelmingly at the last election? They may tweak FWA a little as there are systemic issues with it, but the concept isn't too bad.
When things look bad whack another tax on and try to tax their way into surplus and so fourth. The liberals will grow us via private enterprise. Labor just taxes private enterprise and they take their investments elsewhere.
In the "good times" of liberal government the total budget was 100 billion less than what the labor government currently enjoy in the bad times.
One must ask where that extra 100 billion is going!!
Burn the red witch I say.
P.s do you think the libs will go back to work choices after being told NO overwhelmingly at the last election? They may tweak FWA a little as there are systemic issues with it, but the concept isn't too bad.
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I openly support this Labor Govt and especiially under the leadership of Ms Gillard. Without her there is a very small chance they may actually win the next election. At present she is the best thing to happen to the Liberal Party.
I agree with Wally, this won't last long.
I agree with Wally, this won't last long.
Not much point having a government that upholds the rights of the worker when there is no economy to provide jobs. Jooolia is running us into the ground and the only thing between us an the economic almighty is our resources boom. Sadly, it is very believable that history would be repeating itself with the great Australian approach to politics.
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if the Libs get in i know i will get a well deserved 50% pay rise, i will be working less hours hours with all young and hot hosties. tony will look after us all. julia has no idea. FWA will be gone and my individual contract will be fantastic.
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This thread looks like a wind up, but all I can think is that naive idealogogical beliefs are behind it.
Taxation is not a cure to your economic woes. It never has been, and never will be. It defies human nature.
Example, Carbon Tax which has nothing to do with climate even if man made CO2 was having drastic effects, it is a bizzare tax that will ruin many industries. Lets say canned pineapple. Cost of producing here vs imported from the Phillipines. All the farmers costs have risen due to a carbon tax, transport to the cannery have risen due the carbon tax, processing at the cannery has risen in cost due the carbon tax, wage inflation due carbon tax effects, transport to the retailers distribution centre raised due the carbon tax.
Now lets look at the imported pineapple. Lower cost to begin with, shipped to Australia, enters the port and sent to the retailers distribution centre.....only point where carbon tax is applied.
Now how did a dumb stupid tax benefit anyone anywhere in the world? And where did it do most harm?
If you think that BIG BUSINESS is going to cop this? If you think the consumer is going to cop this, think again. You will blame big business for closing down local canneries and farmers going broke on BIG business, but it will be the consumer at fault. And ask yourself why?
Despite QF management and their stupidity, look at the dumb union movement in the Qld coal industry at the moment. I have never seen such an over paid underworked bunch of whingers on strike in all my life. They have much to lose, and when a carbon Tax starts biting them on the arse, they will think twice, mind you not too many voted Labor up here recently.
If you think that the Liberal Party are only going to look after big business, and one hopes medium and small business, do you not think that is smart? This is where the real productivity is at, it is never in the public services, and without viable businesses what will hapen? The economy shrinks and unemployment rises.
We are on the brink of it now. Our interest rates are too high, our tourism and exports are suffering, and those that are not dead are not doing very well.
I did a rough calculation based on some information of unknown accuracy a while back on what the cost to my houshold would be, post carbon tax and health care rebate changes, and it was north of $30K. And Juliar is not going to offer me any compensation or tax relief at all. And my name is not Clive Palmer either.
So please tell me why we should be taking it easy on the Fat Arsed Red Headed Liar Bird and not turfing her and her cronies on the dole cue.
Rant over
PS.....and now that I have worked hard risked everything, paid off my house, educated my kids with no burden on the public system, employed people, never bothered to chase goverment handouts even when we may have qualified for some years ago, and now I am in a position to actually invest some serious money in retirement savings that I could not afford to do prior, I get no tax relief there because they have pulled the pin on that too.
I can tell you....I AM NOT HAPPY ONE BIT. And if I really knew the full effect, I could be excused for going postal about it all.
So LHLisa, think again, as I may actually be representitive of you and most other Australians. Screwed by the ALP.
Taxation is not a cure to your economic woes. It never has been, and never will be. It defies human nature.
Example, Carbon Tax which has nothing to do with climate even if man made CO2 was having drastic effects, it is a bizzare tax that will ruin many industries. Lets say canned pineapple. Cost of producing here vs imported from the Phillipines. All the farmers costs have risen due to a carbon tax, transport to the cannery have risen due the carbon tax, processing at the cannery has risen in cost due the carbon tax, wage inflation due carbon tax effects, transport to the retailers distribution centre raised due the carbon tax.
Now lets look at the imported pineapple. Lower cost to begin with, shipped to Australia, enters the port and sent to the retailers distribution centre.....only point where carbon tax is applied.
Now how did a dumb stupid tax benefit anyone anywhere in the world? And where did it do most harm?
If you think that BIG BUSINESS is going to cop this? If you think the consumer is going to cop this, think again. You will blame big business for closing down local canneries and farmers going broke on BIG business, but it will be the consumer at fault. And ask yourself why?
Despite QF management and their stupidity, look at the dumb union movement in the Qld coal industry at the moment. I have never seen such an over paid underworked bunch of whingers on strike in all my life. They have much to lose, and when a carbon Tax starts biting them on the arse, they will think twice, mind you not too many voted Labor up here recently.
If you think that the Liberal Party are only going to look after big business, and one hopes medium and small business, do you not think that is smart? This is where the real productivity is at, it is never in the public services, and without viable businesses what will hapen? The economy shrinks and unemployment rises.
We are on the brink of it now. Our interest rates are too high, our tourism and exports are suffering, and those that are not dead are not doing very well.
I did a rough calculation based on some information of unknown accuracy a while back on what the cost to my houshold would be, post carbon tax and health care rebate changes, and it was north of $30K. And Juliar is not going to offer me any compensation or tax relief at all. And my name is not Clive Palmer either.
So please tell me why we should be taking it easy on the Fat Arsed Red Headed Liar Bird and not turfing her and her cronies on the dole cue.
Rant over
PS.....and now that I have worked hard risked everything, paid off my house, educated my kids with no burden on the public system, employed people, never bothered to chase goverment handouts even when we may have qualified for some years ago, and now I am in a position to actually invest some serious money in retirement savings that I could not afford to do prior, I get no tax relief there because they have pulled the pin on that too.
I can tell you....I AM NOT HAPPY ONE BIT. And if I really knew the full effect, I could be excused for going postal about it all.
So LHLisa, think again, as I may actually be representitive of you and most other Australians. Screwed by the ALP.
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Usually I would say it's jumping from the fry pan into to fire, BUT, currently, I would rather burn than put up with anymore **** from the current evil f@#K..Am I allowed to say f@#k. f@#f@#f@#k
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People here regularly complain about and bash the government.
Can I ask that everyone seriously consider what it will be like if the Liberals win the next election and there is no FWA and a new version of Work Choices is introduced?
I understand it is very fashionable to criticise our female PM,
we will all really be in the sh&# in our industry
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Well said 'jabbadabadoo' don't hold back now there buddy
'Lisa' yr entitled to yr opinion we all are but I believe you are amongst the minority especially within the aviation fraternity.
Still I can't complain too much I'll go to my grave knowing that I/we had it pretty good once.I just feel for the generations to come for it's the youngsters of today that will pay for Juliar's misguided idea's, how that woman goes to bed of a night time & sleeps is beyond any normal persons reasoning's.
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'Lisa' yr entitled to yr opinion we all are but I believe you are amongst the minority especially within the aviation fraternity.
Still I can't complain too much I'll go to my grave knowing that I/we had it pretty good once.I just feel for the generations to come for it's the youngsters of today that will pay for Juliar's misguided idea's, how that woman goes to bed of a night time & sleeps is beyond any normal persons reasoning's.
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The real issue is that an incompetent Labor movement in Australia means that serious discussions (like we should be cancelling penalty rates for casual weekend workers and treating every day the same and the social impacts of such a proposition) don't get the attention they deserve. Some big business are free to put forward those ideas and they're not being discussed because the attention is on a government self absorbed with 'saving the climate', 'gay marriage', silencing dissenting voices in the media, and taxing everyone who has worked hard to become self supporting. This too because an incompetent government is so busy trying to dig themselves out of a crap pile of their own making that they don't have the spare brain power/ capacity to actually engage in the social discussions that we should be having.
At least with the Libs in power I know the economy is ticking along with a degree of competence so that we can actually talk about other things.
At least with the Libs in power I know the economy is ticking along with a degree of competence so that we can actually talk about other things.
Anyone who uses the word "Juliar" has the intelligence of an Alan Jones listener.
I'm no Gillard fan but can't see exactly what you think Abbott is going to do to make your lives any better. Hell, Abbott doesn't even know.
I'm no Gillard fan but can't see exactly what you think Abbott is going to do to make your lives any better. Hell, Abbott doesn't even know.
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[quote]The option of no FWA is not a very good one though./QUOTE]
I seem to recall that a certain airline executive used the Fair Work Australia to his advantage and caused the bargaining period between the company and the TWU, ALAEA, AIPA to be terminated. That didn't seem too Union friendly.
This quote seems to be the mantra of the ALP and Union Leaders.
The Health Services Union "snouts in trough" affair seems does not seem to be doing much for the positive attraction of Unions, aside from the fact that only 14% of private sector worker (in 2010) were members of a trade union anyway. Total membership from the previous year dropped from 20% to 18% of the total workforce.
In your "Seniority" post you seem rather unhappy with your very own union, so all things considered it would seem that the unions are quite able to self implode without outside assistance.
Having said that, I am a paid up union member, but only stating it as it is.
I seem to recall that a certain airline executive used the Fair Work Australia to his advantage and caused the bargaining period between the company and the TWU, ALAEA, AIPA to be terminated. That didn't seem too Union friendly.
The Liberal government want to squash the unions.
The Health Services Union "snouts in trough" affair seems does not seem to be doing much for the positive attraction of Unions, aside from the fact that only 14% of private sector worker (in 2010) were members of a trade union anyway. Total membership from the previous year dropped from 20% to 18% of the total workforce.
In your "Seniority" post you seem rather unhappy with your very own union, so all things considered it would seem that the unions are quite able to self implode without outside assistance.
Having said that, I am a paid up union member, but only stating it as it is.