QANTAS - WHERE TO NOW?
In fairness to QF, they paid the tax then went to the High Court for a ruling and won (ie; go the tax back). The ATO appealed, which has been upheld now.
Not their worst management moment by a long shot!
Not their worst management moment by a long shot!
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Not their worst management moment by a long shot!
Even if the appeal was dismissed, it wouldn't take much for a group of individuals (companies, frequent travellers, etc.) to put a class action together to claim the GST back from Qantas.
The bad publicity alone would again damage the brand, something this board has failed to grasp.
The GST belongs to either the customer or the government, not the
company.
company.
Maybe this was not all GST but other taxes as well.
But, when you look at what JQ do, it makes you wonder what they are really entitled to keep.
Fare - alone - OK
* but then they charge for baggage (but someone does not travel), are they entitled to that charge refunded?
* then they charge for seat allocation,
* then they charge for hire of entertainment unit,
see where I'm coming from?
I guess it really does come back to the LCC and their terms and conditions.
My neighbour (staff) has informed me just this morning that JQ cannot be doing too well on the HNL service based on the current school holiday loadings. They wanted to go to HNL (QF only) but had next to no chance. JQ on the other hand had heaps of seats each day of the holidays (after the 1st weekend that is) as high as 70 spare some days.
Whilst Hawaiian and QF were chockers - those management types are so clever.
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Not sure if the ticket T&C actually affect QF liability to pay GST.
Similarly if they charge airport taxes, slf doesn't fly and they keep it, perhaps that is an ACCC issue. Cannot imagine any situation where it would be acceptable to on cost a tax and then just pocket it under any circumstances, but it is QF/JQ we are dealing with here.
Similarly if they charge airport taxes, slf doesn't fly and they keep it, perhaps that is an ACCC issue. Cannot imagine any situation where it would be acceptable to on cost a tax and then just pocket it under any circumstances, but it is QF/JQ we are dealing with here.
JQ on the other hand had heaps of seats each day of the holidays (after the 1st weekend that is) as high as 70 spare some days.
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Not really a few.
99 available monday, 60 available tuesday then 45, then 42 then friday there were 2 flights and both had around 20. Qf on the other hand had 1Y seat available on wednesday, nothing all weekend.
99 available monday, 60 available tuesday then 45, then 42 then friday there were 2 flights and both had around 20. Qf on the other hand had 1Y seat available on wednesday, nothing all weekend.
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Qantas are simply not even trying on the HNL route. I think it is just somewhere to use an aircraft a few times a week until they ditch it. Demand is obviously there for s more upmsrket product. Hawaiian seem to be doing well and JQ somewhat excess capacity.
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HNL Traffic
Traffic from Australia to HNL has increased 45% in the last 12 months.
Hawaiian have commenced services from BNE and fly an Airbus daily from Sydney.They are also currently evaluating MEL/HNL.
Services between SYD and YVR are now daily and provided by the Canadian carrier.Air NZ has also ramped up its services to YVR,LAX and HNL.Why do they see opportunities when Qantas doesn't(or won't)?
Hawaiian have commenced services from BNE and fly an Airbus daily from Sydney.They are also currently evaluating MEL/HNL.
Services between SYD and YVR are now daily and provided by the Canadian carrier.Air NZ has also ramped up its services to YVR,LAX and HNL.Why do they see opportunities when Qantas doesn't(or won't)?
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Why do they see opportunities when Qantas doesn't(or won't)?
Fuel-Off
And il bet that if they pulled Jetstar and the QF 767 off the route and put on a daily 400 they would fill it plus the non critical freight that AA could bring in from the mainland to go in the hold of the 400 would probably be near another 25 tonnes of revenue. But we wouldnt do that now would we as Jetstar are going to take a 787 there with 310 seats cranmmed in like sardines and beat the socks off everyone else!!!
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The 787 is the wrong aircraft for the route.
Jetstar make squillions from freight on this route alone. The pax are just filler.
The 787 can take either the pax or the freight. They can't take both like the 330.
Jetstar make squillions from freight on this route alone. The pax are just filler.
The 787 can take either the pax or the freight. They can't take both like the 330.
I haven't heard of Jetstar Freight. I could well be ignorant or do they carry it on behalf of QANTAS Freight / Startrack Express / Australian Air Express?
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Jetstar make squillions from freight because Qantas pays them $6000+ per A330 departure regardless of what is carried according to Senator Xenophon's address to the Australian Senate.
That is a minimum of $2,808,000 in guaranteed annual revenue for 9 return flights a week.
Not bad if you can get it and is most certainly not representative of any arms length commercial arrangement that I have ever seen.
Then, there are the cost and revenue allocation issues that make this such an "amazing" business.
That is a minimum of $2,808,000 in guaranteed annual revenue for 9 return flights a week.
Not bad if you can get it and is most certainly not representative of any arms length commercial arrangement that I have ever seen.
Then, there are the cost and revenue allocation issues that make this such an "amazing" business.
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The hypocrisy continues. And as usual it's just relayed by the journos.....
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Nothing to do with the way you treat customers.
and then..........
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“At a local, state and national level we need to become more competitive, ensuring that Australia remains a preferred place to invest and do business."
This had led to 82 out of 100 people flying out of Australia travelling with an airline other than Qantas.
and then..........
Broader opportunities for the Australian community included tourism benefits as the airlines undertook joint marketing campaigns and potential increased investment in Australia by Emirates.
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mainline - domestic expansion. New 737 order to be announced soon
jetstar - slight domestic shrinking as EK wont codeshare. International ???
Jetconnect - Goooooooooone!!!! Airframes back to mainline
jetstar - slight domestic shrinking as EK wont codeshare. International ???
Jetconnect - Goooooooooone!!!! Airframes back to mainline
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mainline - domestic expansion. New 737 order to be announced soon
jetstar - slight domestic shrinking as EK wont codeshare. International ???
Jetconnect - Goooooooooone!!!! Airframes back to mainline
jetstar - slight domestic shrinking as EK wont codeshare. International ???
Jetconnect - Goooooooooone!!!! Airframes back to mainline
Its mind blowing to think it took another airlines management to make Qantas management finally concentrate on their own premium product!