Qantas to reduce heavy maintenance labour by 60%
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I'd also like to put it out there that AMSA have been getting away with not even using 457 Visas. Seems its ok to have a Singaporeans come down on his Singapore wage, payed in Singapore, work here Illegally on a Business tourist Visa. It is unacceptable at all levels. Train Australians. End of story.
Bagus, I don't care if it is on different Types. Most of the 457 guys know peanuts so you can't use that as an excuse either. Time to look after our own.
Bagus, I don't care if it is on different Types. Most of the 457 guys know peanuts so you can't use that as an excuse either. Time to look after our own.
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still no answer to my question
empire4.....dont think aussies are the only ones who know anything about aircraft and maint.We are not the only ones who know how to fix them....the rim
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The airline has been spending between $1.5 and $2 billion a year on new aircraft. It has 12 new Airbus 380s, but that is not enough to support a new heavy maintenance operation in itself - and they will not require heavy maintenance anyway until about 2025. In 2025 it will take a year to fix it
The airline has been spending between $1.5 and $2 billion a year on new aircraft. It has 12 new Airbus 380s, but that is not enough to support a new heavy maintenance operation in itself - and they will not require heavy maintenance anyway until about 2025. In 2025 it will take a year to fix it
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Lets hope that the ALAEA do not represent any 457 visa holders! If they do I suggest those members get out of that union fast!
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now let me start with...I am not in favor or 457 visa's ....we should be looking after Australians FIRST....but the ALAEA is afillated with other overseas unions that look after licenced engineers and we have been fighting for OUR [CASA] licence to be able to be used overseas.....what would we think if another country would not allow US to work there....mmmm food for thought....the rim
the rim - I think you have mis-read the situation here. There are plenty of very capable LAME's overseas no doubt, but they should not be used as a substitute for training in this country, especially when we are to be confronted with a large number to be unemployed shortly. Believe me, Singapore, for example have no qualms in giving expats the bullet when times are tough.
Unfortunately, the 457 Visa system has been abused by a few shonky companies as a means to drive down wages, training and employ "compliant" staff.
Unfortunately, the 457 Visa system has been abused by a few shonky companies as a means to drive down wages, training and employ "compliant" staff.
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The Rim,
I'm well aware that Australians are not the only ones that can fix aircraft, or anything else for that matter. That is why I said "Most". To ad to this, I do hold the opinion that Australian trained LAME's are of significantly better quality though. If you see what is happening in Malaysia and Singapore as we speak you will agree.
As for our CASA license being recognised else where? Please enlighten me as to where?
I'm well aware that Australians are not the only ones that can fix aircraft, or anything else for that matter. That is why I said "Most". To ad to this, I do hold the opinion that Australian trained LAME's are of significantly better quality though. If you see what is happening in Malaysia and Singapore as we speak you will agree.
As for our CASA license being recognised else where? Please enlighten me as to where?
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think you will find "till the 747's are gone".....here we go again more redundancy's on offer all over ...hope its the case so no one gets tapped...the rim
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What a loss!
To the guy's & gal's at Tulla. If only the senior knob's could come out with a business decision of the same quality that you guy's can produce when you push an aircraft out the door, this airline would be in a much better postion.
But while our CEO has discarded you like ..... a used prophylactic, (on a Saturday night, after 2 too many Gin and Tonic's) remember this. In two year's time you'll be able to hear the faint echo's from mission control saying "Why in God's earth did we close Melbourne?".
Steve, I think black arm band's should be sent out ASAP.
But while our CEO has discarded you like ..... a used prophylactic, (on a Saturday night, after 2 too many Gin and Tonic's) remember this. In two year's time you'll be able to hear the faint echo's from mission control saying "Why in God's earth did we close Melbourne?".
Steve, I think black arm band's should be sent out ASAP.
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dont think aussies are the only ones who know anything about aircraft and maint.We are not the only ones who know how to fix them....the rim
My main issue is when oversea's MRO's have 1 LAE looking after, and certifying for, up to 3 aircarft in a hangar which are being worked on by other staff. (Except when CASA arrives to do their audit, of course). I have once seen a situation where there was no LAE on shift. This is not how we do things in OZ.
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Stop avoiding the question Fedsellout...........................Of all QF aircraft that arrive (on chocks) how many require the attention of a LAME?
Remember I perform this role so think carefully before you answer
Fedsellout dont get all high and mighty..................you FAILED.......... you FAILED QF staff in negotiating any sort of respectable EBA and most of all you FAILED to protect their jobs................you took their union dues and FAILED.
Remember I perform this role so think carefully before you answer
Fedsellout dont get all high and mighty..................you FAILED.......... you FAILED QF staff in negotiating any sort of respectable EBA and most of all you FAILED to protect their jobs................you took their union dues and FAILED.
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There are other issues here too, sure it is so sad to see more Aussies lose their jobs, and although many of them may be happy to retire early or find another career what of the future.
Okay Qantas say they do NOT need all this expertise, and are happy to get what work is needed done offshore cheaper, but where does this leave the Industry, future Workers and Apprentices etc.
I have posted this before, however I think it is VERY relevant........
Way back when I was an Apprentice (late 1960s sometime), Ansett arranged for one of our Carvairs to go to Hong Kong for overhaul purely to save money, the then Australian Government stepped in, they allowed that one to go but banned future ones planned in the National Interest, they would NOT allow all the expertise and experience to be lost to Australia in case of any future Wars or Conflicts when we then would NOT want to be in a situation where we did not have the skills here to look after our own Aircraft and were relying on some other Country.
Surely this is even more relevant today, after all the Terrorism and Wars going on.
Obviously neither the current Government or Qantas give a you know what about our safety and security.
Okay Qantas say they do NOT need all this expertise, and are happy to get what work is needed done offshore cheaper, but where does this leave the Industry, future Workers and Apprentices etc.
I have posted this before, however I think it is VERY relevant........
Way back when I was an Apprentice (late 1960s sometime), Ansett arranged for one of our Carvairs to go to Hong Kong for overhaul purely to save money, the then Australian Government stepped in, they allowed that one to go but banned future ones planned in the National Interest, they would NOT allow all the expertise and experience to be lost to Australia in case of any future Wars or Conflicts when we then would NOT want to be in a situation where we did not have the skills here to look after our own Aircraft and were relying on some other Country.
Surely this is even more relevant today, after all the Terrorism and Wars going on.
Obviously neither the current Government or Qantas give a you know what about our safety and security.
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Originally Posted by VBPCGUY
Of all QF aircraft that arrive (on chocks) how many require the attention of a LAME?
You're setting up a straw man argument either deliberately, through ignorance or trolling.
1) How many B767 and (20+ years) B734 does Virgin operate, these aircraft require a higher level of maintenance then "newer" aircraft.
2) Do you put oil in your cars engine EVERY time you check it, or would you say that you check your cars oil level "just in case" ? Is doing the pre-flight on an aircraft that turns out to be perfectly serviceable not unlike checking your cars oil level when it too turns out to be OK ?
3) Have you ever found a defect during a preflight ?
ST
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....Going to bed now after night-shift (doing a check on an aircraft that refused to check or fix itself 
, will get back to you in a few hours !!)
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There are still LAMEs at other bases still waiting to be offered VR from previous culls.Before LAMEs are forced to leave will all LAMEs from all bases be offered VR to minimise the pain of those poor Tulla engineers.Maybe the thought is that they will get numbers without forcing people out through Tulla VR and transfers to BNE.By the sounds of it hopefully not too many taps on the shoulders as first feared.
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What would YOU do faced with the intransigent management at QF who don't care what you offer as they are going to outsource and offshore jobs regardless?
What would YOU do faced with management that shut down an entire airline to prevent legitimate PIA occurring?
What would YOU do faced with legal action from FWA backed by the Government requiring the halt to said PIA immediately?
If I were the vbpcbuy I'd post anonymous strawman criticisms on the net and..... oh wait..
What would YOU do faced with management that shut down an entire airline to prevent legitimate PIA occurring?
What would YOU do faced with legal action from FWA backed by the Government requiring the halt to said PIA immediately?
If I were the vbpcbuy I'd post anonymous strawman criticisms on the net and..... oh wait..
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We've all seen the result of Virgin adopting no preflight checks.
I seem to remember a wheel departing a taxying aircraft on a relatively new aircraft. Yep,these machines are highly self diagnostic, aren't they?
Perhaps if Virgin insisted on LAMEs at least meeting and walking around the aircraft, that flying wheel may have been avoided, but for the time being, Qantas will have that safety net.
But time is running out..........and the net is unraveling
I seem to remember a wheel departing a taxying aircraft on a relatively new aircraft. Yep,these machines are highly self diagnostic, aren't they?
Perhaps if Virgin insisted on LAMEs at least meeting and walking around the aircraft, that flying wheel may have been avoided, but for the time being, Qantas will have that safety net.
But time is running out..........and the net is unraveling