BIG Announcement coming from QF?
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Hand back your bonus and payrise you turd
Cant wait for the 787. Then you will have both it and the Dugong both grounded together due to design flaws. That is obviously his fantasy, he has a thing for having an airline that sits on the ground!!
Joyce, to borrow an expression from Ervin Staub in 'The Roots Of Evil' has 'completely excluded himself from our moral universe'. The interventions of conscience do not apply to him.
Or in layman terms he is a turd.
Joyce, to borrow an expression from Ervin Staub in 'The Roots Of Evil' has 'completely excluded himself from our moral universe'. The interventions of conscience do not apply to him.
Or in layman terms he is a turd.
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After his success at Air Lingus, and who could doubt his contribution to Ansett, we now have him turn his attention to QF, and the same feeling of uncertainty, the same feeling of uneasiness, the same feeling that we might be seeing the whole horrible Ansett scenario start all over again. It was never meant to be like this, not QF, always the boss, always the chief, always the National Carrier, could two men really reduce it to nothing in such a short time and get away with it? It would appear so.
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Apparently the interest in "Red Q" or whatever waned when SQ decided to form Scoot and announced SYD as the first destination. With Scoot announcing OOL as it's second destination and possibly BNE as it's third destination people are asking where is Jetstar ?
Apparently the interest in "Red Q" or whatever waned when SQ decided to form Scoot and announced SYD as the first destination. With Scoot announcing OOL as it's second destination and possibly BNE as it's third destination people are asking where is Jetstar ?
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The sooner Qantas gets rid of all those aluminy things and concentrates on it's core business the sooner they will start turning a profit again. Why they fly aeroplanes to anywhere in the world beats me seen as the Qantas board doesn't have anyone with airline experience on it what do these people do for theit exorbitant salaries??????
Any person who could flip a 20cent coin would have come up with better solutions than the conga line of fools who have run Qantas since it was privatised.
Any person who could flip a 20cent coin would have come up with better solutions than the conga line of fools who have run Qantas since it was privatised.
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Pause for thought.
I am happy to allow more educated pens than mine explain the ways and means the stock market has of dealing with, recording and analyzing the way shares can be manipulated, by clever folk.
But, I am quite happy to go on record stating that the answers to everyone's questions may be found there; it may take a little digging but seek, and ye shall find.
The 'airlines' well being (or not) is essentially immaterial, the riddle of the root of all evil holds the answers.
There simply is no other logical equation that answers all the questions.
Sad - you bet.
But, I am quite happy to go on record stating that the answers to everyone's questions may be found there; it may take a little digging but seek, and ye shall find.
The 'airlines' well being (or not) is essentially immaterial, the riddle of the root of all evil holds the answers.
There simply is no other logical equation that answers all the questions.
Holmes - "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth".
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Who will this a..... Hole blame iff an overseas maint aircraft falls out of the sky they are machines they wear out not fixed properly wont stay up there
Time to burst open the doors of the "sheltered workshop" and let some long awaited reality in.
MP
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Egg hunt
And the real money in all of this is not the Irish turds salary, bonuses, retention payment, and other methods of filling his pocket, the egg hunt goes well beyond what can be seen. I have a well positioned source who although he won't name names, he recommends that one researches not the names of the executive managers but the names of their faEmily members, friends, lovers, closest business partners etc and see what companies, consultancies and suppliers names start popping up that are linked. That is where the big money earning schemes for the upper echelon sits. Apparently there may also just happen to be small to medium size service providers who provide PR training, accountancy, safety, I.T, management training and all sorts of little services that all add up to a small tidy fortune overall for some select individuals!
P.S Could somebody please advise Cosgrove that gorging from the QF trough is not doing his girth any good. Not a good look those tent sized suits he is borrowing from Laurrie Oakes.
P.S Could somebody please advise Cosgrove that gorging from the QF trough is not doing his girth any good. Not a good look those tent sized suits he is borrowing from Laurrie Oakes.
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Oh no, here they come! New Trolls, old Trolls, Ken B will be along next!
Looks like the QF spin machine has detected some anti QF feedback and it is time to 'summon the QF sleepers', the call has gone out to counteract the negative comments.
Looks like the QF spin machine has detected some anti QF feedback and it is time to 'summon the QF sleepers', the call has gone out to counteract the negative comments.
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C'mon guys, do you really think you are the only ones in the world that can maintain aircraft?
Time to burst open the doors of the "sheltered workshop" and let some long awaited reality in.
MP
Time to burst open the doors of the "sheltered workshop" and let some long awaited reality in.
MP
From an engineer's perspective, we took ownership of the aircraft we worked on. We didn't just do the jobs the cards said to do. If we saw a problem outside the "zone", it was fixed.
Aircraft reliability WAS at an all-time high. Aircraft groundings were virtually unheard of. Sure inflight service may not have been the best, but our aircraft were.
And as Mr Joyce said today, "We can't keep propping up the past with the future". What clowns like yourself MP and the twelve sitting perched on the board don't realise or care about is that if it wasn't for the maintenance practices of the past we wouldn't have made it to today.
MP, I hope you feel all safe and secure when you fly on an aeroplane that is maintained to just the bare minimum, because you may just make a landing on your bare backside.
I hope I've opened the doors wide enough to let enough reality into your sheltered workshop and your very narrow perspective of what aircraft maintenance should be.
Qantas is in its death spiral. That is the general idea. Destroy the workforce and corporate intelligence, then take it private and start again.
That cruise I took around NZ really opened my eyes to what the future holds for the average worker if the powers that be get their way. The organisation of that cruiseship was so slick it was frightening.
1. Employment on short term contracts with no guarantee of renewal. That enures that Labor can never again organise itself because "troublemakers" don't get their contracts renewed. The cruise ship staff are all on Six month contracts. They change some staff at the end of each voyage - about Ten percent by my reckoning, its a continuous roll over process so that crews cannot form any relationships with each other past Six months.
2. Deliberate employment of foreign workers from a wide variety of countries. This is a divide and conquer strategy that further prevents unionisation.
The benefit of this strategy, apart from preventing unionisation are:
(i) Managers have absolute power over workers. One bark and your contract won't be renewed.
(ii) The company can keep the age of its workforce constant by removing older workers. Forget about stuff like maternity leave as well. This approach also solves the "old boiler" problem.
(iii) Wages can be kept constant at the minimum rate for English speakers. The "front of house" cruise ship staff came from Romania, Ukraine, Mexico, Thailand and a variety of other low cost countries. Engineers don't need English because the passengers don't see them. They may need a translator though.
(iiii) There an be no question of informal leaders arising based on experience and capability. You cannot challenge the Manager.
The assumptions management must make to implement this strategy are as follows:
(a) Organisational memory, skill and expertise is not required because every action can be reduced to a written procedure and the work performed by a machine if at all possible. The expertise and skill must only reside in management. All else are worker bees.
(b) There is an inexhaustible supply of people who will work for peanuts.
(c) Governments will take no action to impede the process, nor will the public put pressure on Government to act.
It appears that this is the Qantas philosophy.
Joyce has already said that modern aircraft fix themselves and don't need a skilled workforce to maintain them. Check box (a).
Joyce is already hiring foreign crews. Check box (b).
Joyce alternatively threatens and cajoles Government. Check box (c).
Unless tthe average Australian reacts, their future is rather bleak.
That cruise I took around NZ really opened my eyes to what the future holds for the average worker if the powers that be get their way. The organisation of that cruiseship was so slick it was frightening.
1. Employment on short term contracts with no guarantee of renewal. That enures that Labor can never again organise itself because "troublemakers" don't get their contracts renewed. The cruise ship staff are all on Six month contracts. They change some staff at the end of each voyage - about Ten percent by my reckoning, its a continuous roll over process so that crews cannot form any relationships with each other past Six months.
2. Deliberate employment of foreign workers from a wide variety of countries. This is a divide and conquer strategy that further prevents unionisation.
The benefit of this strategy, apart from preventing unionisation are:
(i) Managers have absolute power over workers. One bark and your contract won't be renewed.
(ii) The company can keep the age of its workforce constant by removing older workers. Forget about stuff like maternity leave as well. This approach also solves the "old boiler" problem.
(iii) Wages can be kept constant at the minimum rate for English speakers. The "front of house" cruise ship staff came from Romania, Ukraine, Mexico, Thailand and a variety of other low cost countries. Engineers don't need English because the passengers don't see them. They may need a translator though.
(iiii) There an be no question of informal leaders arising based on experience and capability. You cannot challenge the Manager.
The assumptions management must make to implement this strategy are as follows:
(a) Organisational memory, skill and expertise is not required because every action can be reduced to a written procedure and the work performed by a machine if at all possible. The expertise and skill must only reside in management. All else are worker bees.
(b) There is an inexhaustible supply of people who will work for peanuts.
(c) Governments will take no action to impede the process, nor will the public put pressure on Government to act.
It appears that this is the Qantas philosophy.
Joyce has already said that modern aircraft fix themselves and don't need a skilled workforce to maintain them. Check box (a).
Joyce is already hiring foreign crews. Check box (b).
Joyce alternatively threatens and cajoles Government. Check box (c).
Unless tthe average Australian reacts, their future is rather bleak.
Some 23 yrs ago there was a saying getting bantered around just prior to WW3..........."get yr affairs in order", Powerful words they where that apply today in our industry that is in crisis & is very fragile.
To think that AJ is 10 years younger than me & yet he's already made more enemies than anyone could over 10 life times!!!
Why wreck QF? ..........'cause it's wreckable"!!
Wmk2
To think that AJ is 10 years younger than me & yet he's already made more enemies than anyone could over 10 life times!!!
Why wreck QF? ..........'cause it's wreckable"!!
Wmk2
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Well spoken QF94, and from a old Aviator, the type of Ginger you were/are were the very people who sent us off confident of the equipment you gave us, sadly for the pilots of the future they will not have the same confidence, not thru any fault of the Ginger that signs you out, but because of the fools that don't recognise that a aircraft that is fully maintained in Australia seamlessly, is generally a aircraft that is fairly good nick. Australia's record of safety is no coincidence, it is because of the extremely high engineering standards and flight crew training, but these fools are prepared to risk all this for the dollar, and we all know its not a case of if, but when, the first aircraft shaped hole emerges. We all know already it will not be the fault of management, that they will move heaven and earth to pin it on the probably deceased flight crew or the hapless LAME that signed it out. But try telling the public that, convinced that the evil unions are destroying the company, and Joyce is a manna from heaven, and because of their hatred and loathing of the present govt/unions, they will not be convinced until the inevitable happens. Meanwhile the pilots just pray they have engineers like QF94, who despite the crap he and his colleagues have to endure, they do what they do best, send out a aircraft that is as serviceable as it can be, even if they are not sure if the parts are authentic, or serviced as they should be. In my time that was never a question.
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Sorry, havent read all the thread but why would there be a big ad on seek.co.nz looking for engineers to setup a new widebody aircraft maintenance operation in or near the Auckland region. Coincidence or ??