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Old 26th Apr 2012, 14:06
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its cheaper to fly the B777 from SYD-NAN than keeping it parked on the ground in Sydney?
That one is the other way around actually. Was one of the bigger mistakes they made, financially was not pretty.
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Old 26th Apr 2012, 23:44
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Then let your codeshare partners take the traffic from their hub out.
Not unlike old mate Joycey then eh??
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Old 26th Apr 2012, 23:47
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VHXFC arrived last week... XFD in the next couple..
XFD arrived into SYD this morning after ferrying from TLS via KUL.
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Old 26th Apr 2012, 23:51
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Any idea when XFC/D are coming into service, and on what routes?
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Old 27th Apr 2012, 09:26
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MEL/SYD-PER...

Under JB's plan I doubt you would see any A330 going to DPS, personally knowing the loads it would definetly not be profitable because its PAX only. I doubt you will see HNL because they already have an agreement with HAL.

I personally think you will see as mentioned previously; HKG, SIN and BKK to start with to link up hubs.

Bear in mind aswell there is still an option for another B77W...VS have been eyeing off BMI slots at LHR... I wonder why?
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Old 27th Apr 2012, 11:07
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DPS would be off the cards for the new 332's, most likely a business orientated market. Moving forward the leisure destinations seem only stuff for the 737 fleet, why would you want leisure pax when you could maintain a constant income from business pax?
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Old 27th Apr 2012, 11:41
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Recall a number of DPS sectors with business class well patronized. Have even seen it full on back of clock ops.
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Old 27th Apr 2012, 11:55
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MEL rarely had J class PAX. The other thing to look at is what I mentioned earlier is there is no freight facility in DPS, the A330s capability to move freight aswell well as high yielding PAX would be better utilized elsewhere.
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Old 27th Apr 2012, 12:31
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MEL is the best patronized. Freight is a good supplement but SLF is the prime business of the model.
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Old 27th Apr 2012, 23:23
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Recall a number of DPS sectors with business class well patronized. Have even seen it full on back of clock ops.
Probably because it was discounted J class...or people using their velocity points. The leisure market is far too price sensitive to pay big bucks for the pointy end..

Why fork out big bucks for J class when with the same airfare, you could probably upgrade your hotel at Bali and just travel in the back..

but if you pack it full of business people outta MEL to SIN/HKG...

As for VS and VA on the HKG route, who knows.. who would have thought that they were able to use the name 'Virgin' internationally after talking to Uncle Choong... I'm sure if the idea is sold to VS, they'd jump onboard with the idea of doing LHR/HKG only....
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 01:39
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I think JB will initially concentrate on the domestic operation.He knows where the cream is in the QF domestic ops.The golden triangle plus Perth for the business class traffic and the regional operations is where QF is ripping people off on price.He knows that from his time there.He will run the A330's and the ATR's on these routes releasing 737's and the EJet's for more frequency on other routes.Any international operations will be furthur down the track.
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Old 28th Apr 2012, 01:59
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No freight out of DPS

Not so. The other night we took 10 tonnes of freight into Sydney. That having been said, we only had 150 pax on the 330!
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Old 11th May 2012, 14:34
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Bye bye emb, hello atr.. Including Mia. Also only rumour.

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Old 11th May 2012, 18:52
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Mildura would require a MEL basing unless it came in from Canberra which is unlikely
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With a planned fleet of up to 20 ATR's, it makes sense that once they have more aircraft, they would expand the network to include most larger towns in NSW, QLD and VIC and perhaps Northern Tassie.
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I think the "downgrading" of SYD-AY and ML-MIA from ejet to ATR has been on the books for a long time.

No idea on how the numbers stack up between Albury and Sydney, but there is no way that VA is making money on the ML-MIA run. Plenty of times there's been less than 50 passengers each way, and sometimes the 737 does the trip! IMHO, the only reason that VA are still servicing the route is to keep it open until an ATR can do it.

Mildura would require a MEL basing unless it came in from Canberra which is unlikely
Why so? CB-ML-MIA return isn't a difficult route. Qlink often did the reverse when the Q300 was based there.
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Old 13th May 2012, 12:08
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Mildura is about the only route out of Melbourne for a 50+ seat turboprop that will possibly turn a profit. All the others that are already not serviced by jets are 30 seat or less and the northern Tassie routes are too close to Launceston to attract many away from the low cost large jets. Mildura could easily be crewed from a CB base with overnights. Melbourne base would be easier of course but then would need additional destinations from Mel to make it work.
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Old 13th May 2012, 23:36
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A MEL base is a long time off,there are bigger fish to fry in QLD and NSW first.I see aircraft 6 is on it's way to BNE tomorrow.
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Old 14th May 2012, 01:47
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Could do a few routes with the ATRs from Melbourne. Devonport, MT Gambier, Mildura, Albury, Wagga, Woolongong even Canberra. Could open a MEL Base with 3 a/c when enough are at the SYD and BNE bases first which seems the priority. How about a PER and ADL base i.e. for Olympic dam etc.
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Old 14th May 2012, 02:46
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Could do a few routes with the ATRs from Melbourne. Devonport, MT Gambier, Mildura, Albury, Wagga, Woolongong even Canberra. Could open a MEL Base with 3 a/c when enough are at the SYD and BNE bases first which seems the priority. How about a PER and ADL base i.e. for Olympic dam etc.
VA already struggles with loads out of Mildura on the jet, the prop will not suddenly attract masses more. Devonport council was considering to shut down the airport due to low passenger numbers and the short drive to Launceston. QLink in Devonport still offer marketing drives with low fares to attract enough load, this is despite being the sole operator there. Gambier loads to Melbourne have never been huge, OConnors struggled to fill a 20 seater consistantly and the conquest was used for most runs. Most passengers are on the Adelaide track due to it being a SA town. Wagga and Albury are similar to Gambier with the main loads moving towards their respective state capitals. I would guess the average load factors for the 30 seaters would be around 60%.

Woolongong, Canberra and Launceston are already serviced by turboprop and jet traffic. Melbourne - Woolongong would be a bit of a long haul effort at ATR speeds, especially return into a strong westerly.
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