Virgin Australia's plans for 2012
Decided during their training on which path they take. Secondment to skywest on ATR or rfo 777. Either way both get on group seniority list. Same pay scale as direct entry aswell.
Decided during their training on which path they take. Secondment to skywest on ATR or rfo 777. Either way both get on group seniority list. Same pay scale as direct entry aswell.
Does anyone know where i can find the current virgin australia 777 pilots eba? (cant find anything up to date thats all). But i do hope the cruise f/o's arent getting paid $50k base salary like they used to be...
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Dont like the idea of having a 250 hour f/o on a ATR 72.
pull - up - terrain
What is wrong with a 250hr pilot in an ATR ?
- What minimum hrs do you - the god almighty - suggest they have ?
- Where does he/she gain those hrs?
In Europe it is common to have 300-350hr F/Os
- and they operate in winter
- Have you ever decoded a snowtam?
- De-iced ?
- Operated in SN or FZFG?
What is wrong with a 250hr pilot in an ATR ?
- What minimum hrs do you - the god almighty - suggest they have ?
- Where does he/she gain those hrs?
In Europe it is common to have 300-350hr F/Os
- and they operate in winter
- Have you ever decoded a snowtam?
- De-iced ?
- Operated in SN or FZFG?
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Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds or Earth
Christopher Whitton Panton enlisted in the Royal Air Force in June 1942.
Chris was the Flight Engineer on board Halifax III HX272 'Nielson’s Nuthouse'. Just 19 years old, Chris was only hours away from completing his 30th sortie and first tour of Operations when the Halifax ........
19 Years Old, 38 missions and a DFC A friend's uncle took part in the CWH Flyfest today.
Ken Keegan was 18 when he joined the RCAF and trained as a bomber pilot. Now 87, Ken was given the opportunity to re-live flying in a Lancaster. He flew 38 wartime missions with 420 squadron and won the DFC.
His 2 sons bought him a ride in the CWH Lancaster for Christmas. As an extra bonus they both went along. Rides in the Lanc cost $2,000.00 and are booked months in advance.
Interviewed at length by local media, Ken can only be described as humble and for his age, sharp as a tack. About 40 members of Ken's extended family were on hand for this event, including his 90 year-old brother.
They flew over Ken's home in Simcoe, Ontario where more family and friends were waiting to wave at Ken and the Lancaster.
A hall was rented offsite for the birthday party that followed Ken's first return to a Lancaster since the war ended.
At war's end he had one thought,... get out.
Over the Wire--
Andrew Carswell grew up in Toronto and, shortly after his eighteenth birthday, enlisted and began the training that would soon qualify him to fly a Lancaster bomber. On his fourth operational mission at the age of 19 .... (Lancasters only had ONE PILOT - Andrew was 19 and the 'Commander' of the acft)
Tribute to Flt. Lt. Jeff (Alexander Jeffery) Clarson DFC.
186 Squadron (Lancaster) Bomber Command R.A.F.
Born 18th April 1923 (Pialba - Qld.)
Died 18th November 1982 (Cairns - North Queensland)
Flt Lt Clarson DFC - Flying Log Book. - NOTE: age 22 in Apr 1945
Flying Log Book Summary: 186Sqn
Operational Hrs: Day Night
151:30 42:35
Non Operational Hrs: 32:45
John Gillespie Magee, Jr. (9 June 1922 – 11 December 1941) 19yrs
The poem
"High Flight"
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I’ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
of sun-split clouds, — and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of — wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov’ring there,
I’ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air....
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I’ve topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace.
Where never lark, or even eagle flew —
And, while with silent lifting mind I have trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
- Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
Chris was the Flight Engineer on board Halifax III HX272 'Nielson’s Nuthouse'. Just 19 years old, Chris was only hours away from completing his 30th sortie and first tour of Operations when the Halifax ........
During the dark days of the Battle of Britain, hundreds of Americans crossed the border into Canada to enlist with the Royal Canadian Air Force. Knowingly breaking the law, but with the tacit approval of the then still officially neutral United States Government, they volunteered to fight Hitler's Germany.
John Gillespie Magee, Jr., was one such American. Born in Shanghai, China, in 1922, Magee was just 18 years old when he entered flight training. Within the year, he was sent to England and posted to the newly formed No 412 Fighter Squadron, RCAF, which was activated at Digby, England, on 30 June 1941. He was qualified on and flew the
Supermarine Spitfire.
Supermarine Spitfire. Flying fighter sweeps over France and air defence over England against the German Luftwaffe, he rose to the rank of Pilot Officer. At the time, German bombers were crossing the English Channel with great regularity to attack Britain's cities and factories. Although the dark days of the Battle of Britain were over, the Luftwaffe was still on the job of keeping up the pressure on British industry and the country.
On September 3, 1941, Magee flew a high altitude (30,000 feet) test flight in a newer model of the Spitfire V. As he orbited and climbed upward, he was struck with the inspiration of a poem — "To touch the face of God."
Once back on the ground, he wrote a letter to his parents. In it he commented, "I am enclosing a verse I wrote the other day. It started at 30,000 feet, and was finished soon after I landed." On the back of the letter, he jotted down his poem, "High Flight."
Just three months later, on December 11, 1941 (and only three days after the US entered the war), Pilot Officer John Gillespie Magee, Jr., was killed. The Spitfire V he was flying, VZ-H, collided with an Oxford Trainer from Cranwell Airfield while over Tangmere, England. The two planes were flying in the clouds and neither saw the other. He was just 19 years old.
At more or less the same time, 207 Squadron lose Lancaster LM125 EM-G which came down over the small town of Apremont near Chantilly. The aircraft crashed near to the Faisanderie. The crew of seven are all killed and are buried in Creil's communal cemetery. Oblt Ernst Fischer claims a second Lancaster only four minutes from that of his first 01H39.
P/O J.H.Wilson, Sgt J.Matthews, F/S H.G.West, F/S C.M.Firth, Sgt C.A.Hallett, Sgt C.Stapleton, Sgt A.D.Roper
Derrick Roper lies in Creil Communal Cemetery, France. He is also remembered in the Rolls of Honour placed by 207 Squadron RAF Association in Leicester Cathedral and All Saints Great Steeping (adjacent to the old RAF Spilsby airfield). There are memorials to the Squadron on the airfield and in All Saints'. He is also named in the No.5 Group Roll of Honour in Lincoln Cathedral and in the Central Church of the Royal Air Force, St. Clement Danes, London, and is named on the Northallerton War Memorial. Derrick Roper was aged 19 years.
19 Years Old, 38 missions and a DFC A friend's uncle took part in the CWH Flyfest today.
Ken Keegan was 18 when he joined the RCAF and trained as a bomber pilot. Now 87, Ken was given the opportunity to re-live flying in a Lancaster. He flew 38 wartime missions with 420 squadron and won the DFC.
His 2 sons bought him a ride in the CWH Lancaster for Christmas. As an extra bonus they both went along. Rides in the Lanc cost $2,000.00 and are booked months in advance.
Interviewed at length by local media, Ken can only be described as humble and for his age, sharp as a tack. About 40 members of Ken's extended family were on hand for this event, including his 90 year-old brother.
They flew over Ken's home in Simcoe, Ontario where more family and friends were waiting to wave at Ken and the Lancaster.
A hall was rented offsite for the birthday party that followed Ken's first return to a Lancaster since the war ended.
At war's end he had one thought,... get out.
Over the Wire--
Andrew Carswell grew up in Toronto and, shortly after his eighteenth birthday, enlisted and began the training that would soon qualify him to fly a Lancaster bomber. On his fourth operational mission at the age of 19 .... (Lancasters only had ONE PILOT - Andrew was 19 and the 'Commander' of the acft)
Tribute to Flt. Lt. Jeff (Alexander Jeffery) Clarson DFC.
186 Squadron (Lancaster) Bomber Command R.A.F.
Born 18th April 1923 (Pialba - Qld.)
Died 18th November 1982 (Cairns - North Queensland)
Flt Lt Clarson DFC - Flying Log Book. - NOTE: age 22 in Apr 1945
Flying Log Book Summary: 186Sqn
Operational Hrs: Day Night
151:30 42:35
Non Operational Hrs: 32:45
John Gillespie Magee, Jr. (9 June 1922 – 11 December 1941) 19yrs
The poem
"High Flight"
Oh! I have slipped the surly bonds of Earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I’ve climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
of sun-split clouds, — and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of — wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov’ring there,
I’ve chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air....
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I’ve topped the wind-swept heights with easy grace.
Where never lark, or even eagle flew —
And, while with silent lifting mind I have trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
- Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
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Nice work Roaring Forties, just remember that in that era accident rates were extremely high. Lots of 19 year old pilots with minimal training will do that.
Note in the Continental US there were 5533 fatal training accidents during the war.
P.S. I don't think 250 hours pilots in an ATR is unreasonable, but the selection and training of those pilots will need to be carefully managed. If the only selection requirement is willingness to pay, and the only training requirement is to meet CASA minimums it will end in tears. Here's hoping Virgin gets it right.
Note in the Continental US there were 5533 fatal training accidents during the war.
P.S. I don't think 250 hours pilots in an ATR is unreasonable, but the selection and training of those pilots will need to be carefully managed. If the only selection requirement is willingness to pay, and the only training requirement is to meet CASA minimums it will end in tears. Here's hoping Virgin gets it right.
Very inspirational RF's.
The problem is, this is not WW2.
The problem is, this is not the military.
The problem is, this is Australia not Europe.
The debate of Cadet vs Direct Entry (experienced pilots), has been done to death. Arguments from both sides, but the indelible truth of the matter in Australia is that Cadets are CHEAP!
If you can come to grips with that fact, and the fact that Cadetships in Australia are created by airline management to keep a lid on pilot's wages and conditions, and you feel comfortable with that, then I say.... Fill yer' boots!
The problem is, this is not WW2.
The problem is, this is not the military.
The problem is, this is Australia not Europe.
The debate of Cadet vs Direct Entry (experienced pilots), has been done to death. Arguments from both sides, but the indelible truth of the matter in Australia is that Cadets are CHEAP!
If you can come to grips with that fact, and the fact that Cadetships in Australia are created by airline management to keep a lid on pilot's wages and conditions, and you feel comfortable with that, then I say.... Fill yer' boots!
Pull-up,
Google is your friend. It's a collective agreement registered with the govt, and as such publicly available.
They don't get $50- something any more, but they don't get QF SO wages either. They seem generally content.
Google is your friend. It's a collective agreement registered with the govt, and as such publicly available.
They don't get $50- something any more, but they don't get QF SO wages either. They seem generally content.
It seems that Roaring Forties takes every opportunity it can to tell us all how cr@p the Aussie aviation scene is and how glad it is that it is in Europe. Me thinks it protests a little too much...
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Does anyone know where i can find the current virgin australia 777 pilots eba?
Here it is anyway: http://www.fwa.gov.au/documents/agre...a/AE888329.pdf
The next one is the first new one from Airbus, VH-XFC. It might even be here by now?
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Has Il Deuce acquired a new broom or did he previously miss some of the hard to reach pieces of dirt? Rumour is he has been sweeping again!
Anyway, some interesting departures over the past 18 months including names like:
Baldfrey (executive management),
David Andrew (executive management),
Ravioli (airport operations management),
Daily Martin (exec management) and
Professor Klump (cabin services management).
And naturally all left to 'take on future endeavors in different fields of their own volition', of course!! And with each departure in comes QF's finest! Yes Il Deuce is picking the eyes of QF clean and bringing in the good product while leaving the dregs back over at QF. This is great stuff indeed! I also hear that an array of mid tier roles which would have normally been 'gifted' internally to mates are actually being given to externals as none of the internals quite fit the mold! Excellent indeed, perhaps the days of 'mates rates' and 'must haves' are starting to decline?? One can only hope.
The exciting thing is waiting to see which incompetent goes next? How long will the purge last? When will the VA bowel movement finish? Keep squeezing John, the chamber isn't empty yet!
Now where is my popcorn........
Anyway, some interesting departures over the past 18 months including names like:
Baldfrey (executive management),
David Andrew (executive management),
Ravioli (airport operations management),
Daily Martin (exec management) and
Professor Klump (cabin services management).
And naturally all left to 'take on future endeavors in different fields of their own volition', of course!! And with each departure in comes QF's finest! Yes Il Deuce is picking the eyes of QF clean and bringing in the good product while leaving the dregs back over at QF. This is great stuff indeed! I also hear that an array of mid tier roles which would have normally been 'gifted' internally to mates are actually being given to externals as none of the internals quite fit the mold! Excellent indeed, perhaps the days of 'mates rates' and 'must haves' are starting to decline?? One can only hope.
The exciting thing is waiting to see which incompetent goes next? How long will the purge last? When will the VA bowel movement finish? Keep squeezing John, the chamber isn't empty yet!
Now where is my popcorn........
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The only person everyone wants to see go is the head of HR.
He has single handedly caused more damage and was the main reason apart from BG of course that moral was as low as it was before JB arrived.
When he finally gets the boot the clean out will be complete.
He has single handedly caused more damage and was the main reason apart from BG of course that moral was as low as it was before JB arrived.
When he finally gets the boot the clean out will be complete.