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There are severe failings in public administration in our societies, with scandalous underperformance and lack of transparent air safety regulation and investigation in this country.
Whether it is a matter of robber bankers, or the selling out of Australia’s disease free status in agriculture and livestock on the sacrificial altar of free trade, or weak big pharma friendly drug oversight, our public service objectives have been corrupted and undermined.
Efficiency in public administration must not mean weakened standards. The goal must be better administration, not less effective administration.
Be it in the FAA, or EASA, or CASA.
Thank you Ben. There is no more urgent call . .. .a call that should be heard from all the roof tops. Over and over until .. . . . . . . the cock goes in the pot?
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MOIE # 1040 –"So although The Skull has been around 5 years, he takes no responsibility? As for the others who have been at CASA ranging from 12 - 20 years and who conveniently deflected Senator Nash's probing, they don't get off so easy I am afraid. Anybody in those positions and who has been in CASA for that length of time would have had a say and had influence in decision making. No high level decisions are made without consulting with others, so the 'hand washing' by these guys is laughable.
The sad part is the 'willing accomplice', those who sit back counting the days, even "tut tut" in your kitchen, then sneak back to the office to pen the 1700 special. The CASA fifth column should be given the opportunity to speak up, without fear or favour. The 'good uns" seem to toddle off into obscurity, quietly shaking their heads over a beer, rightly scared of speaking out. The "ring of iron" is supported by those who know better, that are too scared, apathetic or even happy to go along with a blatant, overtly corrupt culture need to be dragged out, named and shamed.

We pay for a service to the public – not to service some bloody Minister. I don't how some of these people can shave every day, take wages and have the brass neck to appear in public, pontificating on safety. Bollocks – they know it, I know it.

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Efficiency in public administration ?

In reaching that result the temptation, if not overt policy instruction, has been to permit increasing levels of self regulation, which in banking in the US, UK and EU, lead to an orgy of corrupt, vicious, and outrageously indulgent and dishonest behavior, of the type that in the US has been largely forgiven, and on the other side of the Atlantic, appears to be largely if somewhat slowly subject to fiercer prosecution of corporations and individuals.
I have always been a firm supporter of Ben's views, but in this case I believe he misses the point. Not only has self regulation been applied to "industry" but also to "regulators" globally, hence
lead to an orgy of corrupt, vicious, and outrageously indulgent and dishonest behavior
. When the AG, the Ombudsman, ICC, ACCC, Ministers, et al (their own departments qualify) blatantly disregard warnings from respective industry, statistics and individuals it is an indication of not just inadequacy but full blown corruption. Would the allegations against the PM just be an isolated case?

Efficiency in public administration must not mean weakened standards. The goal must be better administration, not less effective administration. Be it in the FAA, or EASA, or CASA.
"Efficiency in public administration" a bit of an oxymoron, but say it was possible, certainly not by more legislation/regulation. Maybe its time to get some professionals in their respective fields, there for their knowledge and dedication to the particular industry and not just for the $$$'s. It took me a while to understand why the CASA building(s) were referred to as "handbrake house" must be those new "carbon"brakes? Very effective

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The issue is 'accountability'. Why do you see organisations such as Occupy Wallstreet? The banks, congress, government do as they please with no recourse, justice, punishment or accountability. They act with impunity and immortality. If these suckholes worked for themselves or a real business they would crumble like a cheap deck of cards! Oh my god they would scream, we actually have to be account for what we do??

It's time to introduce accountability into CASA. Remove the veil of protection, make the executives fully liable and accountable for mistakes, malfeasance, bullying, corruption, deceit and perjury. Make them stand before a Judge, police or simply the laws of the land that should apply to all people and not be discarded for just a handful of individuals. Remove the heavily fortified ring of steel that protects them and then we will see just how big their kanackers real are. Put them in the ring with an even set of rules and even gloves and lets see how tough they are then, rather than hiding behind their big brother protector like the spineless, weak pathetic trough dwellers that they are.

The times are changing, the troops grow restless and the showdown is looming. Society is cyclic and has endured militants and dictators for thousands of years, but push the people to far and see what happens. We are seeing that escalation right now..

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Tea and biccys Friday??

Senator Nash: Joke.."Did you hear the one about the $150,000 dollar taxpayer funded pot plant?"...gold Fiona pure gold!!

Now tea, biccys and maybe a snort of chardy over lunch??

Schedule for Friday's hearing has been posted: Senate Committees – Parliament of Australia
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"Ave, Imperator, morituri te salutant"

Comedy hour or two. Dutifully convened at a salubrious watering hole this afternoon were the Bar Room Barristers; all awaiting the Senate Estimates. STAR of the show, Fiona Nash and the "pot plant" saga, hereafter to be known as the best laugh, stuff of legend and plain old ordinary "we gotcha" ever. The crew is still rolling about the floor. Brava, Lady – Bravo!!

If you missed it – I can't help that. What she said of course is, we know, down to cost of maintaining your plants, exactly what you are about. The confusion was priceless, the response – hilarious. Nearly as funny as Beaker asking "what?, what's a mid air? - followed by two minutes of "fluff" until a paper was provided for him to read.

Priceless, PLEASE if any one recorded the estimates session this pm, with the parts involving "He who will not be shamed" and "Beaker", put it up for the boys and girls who were working; I still can't even construct a cohesive sentence without laughing.

No horse power in the Senate eh?.... Dream on. Friday, bloody Friday.

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Are burnt and purged away. But that I am forbid
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I could a tale unfold, whose lightest word
Would harrow up thy soul, freeze thy young blood,
Make thy two eyes, like stars, start from their spheres,
Thy knotted and combined locks to part
And each particular hair to stand an end,
Like quills upon the fretful porpentine:
But this eternal blazon must not be
To ears of flesh and blood. - List, list, O, list!"
- William Shakespeare, Hamlet, 1.5

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casa and the effect on commercial operations

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Inquiry into the Aviation Accident Investigations
Public hearing - Canberra, Friday, 15 February 2013


Committee Room 2S1
Parliament House
CANBERRA

Time Witness Sub No. 1

8.30 am

Civil Aviation Safety Authority
Mr John McCormick, Director of Aviation Safety
Dr Jonathan Aleck, Associate Director of Aviation Safety
Mr Terry Farquharson, Deputy Director of Aviation Safety
Mr Adam Anastasi, Executive Manager, Legal Services
Mr Peter Boyd, Executive Manager, Standards
Mr Greg Hood, Executive Manager, Operations Regulations Implementation

10.30-10.45 am

Morning tea

10.45 am

Australian Transport Safety Bureau
Mr Martin Dolan, Chief Commissioner
Mr Ian Sangston, General Manager Aviation Safety Investigations

12:45 pm

Adjournment

Rol up Roll up Roll up

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Popcorn, circus acts, magic tricks and pineapples...

Indeed, what a line up, perhaps it should be called 'The Beaker And The Muppets Show'? It's an amazing line up of uselessness, there will be more spin than a Texas tornado. Not to mention comments such as 'I wasn't in that position back then' or 'I was based in an office further up the corridor back then'!
Can we take bets as to who takes the first question on notice? Or perhaps who deflects first to the person on his left?

I can't wait to see the Beaker offload his tautological ramblings of how he knows better than James Reason. Then you have Terry trying to remain quiet during question time (mainly because these old types get worn out easily during a big day out!). Then you will have Anustasi and the Richard Dreyfuss lookalike plying their well crafted trade and creating some incredible magic tricks aimed at diverting attention. And Mr Skull, will he retain his poker face while having a pineapple inserted or will he wince the way his staff do when they see his Friday Hawaiin shirts? And don't forget the FF version of 'faceless men' - Herr Boyd! The egg shaped player who has made hiding beneath the radar an art form. I hope the Senators give him some quality stage time. After all he did lead Team ASOP during their '2 year, 30 unfinished projects at a cost of several million dollars' failure. Oh my how Mr Skull was most unimpressed!
And Hoody, dear Hoody, out to enjoy his final swan song before the Senators prior to joining ASA? Will his buddies truly sacrifice this lamb or will the Senators act the part of a loyal Sheperd and rescue him from the pack?

And finally, with all these old farts together in one place, will Australian aviation safety remain safe while the top echelon are busy in the senate? Too bloody right, the skies will be temporarily even more safe!
Hopefully the Senators will schedule in rest breaks for the old geezers, supply them with Bex, soft lollies and a cot so they can take a nanny nap during the day. It is very important that we care for the elderly.

So step right up folks, ringside seats available, this could well be the farewell tour, a never to be seen again performance. The trapeze act will be thrilling!

P.S The GWM have opened the betting booth and taking bets as we speak. The first bets are being taken for which Nupty will be sporting a red power tie to remind the Senators who has the biggest kanackers, or which one will be wearing a carefully selected soothing blue tie to help show the Senators they come in peace? Personally I would dress them in a yellow, beige or pooh brown, but hey, I don't have a PHD in tautology so what would I know??
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Barrier?

Anybody have any info on whether Barrier is flying. I was wondering if it would get brought up at estimates or on Friday?
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casa and the effect on commercial operations

Hardy's was brought up, but not Barrier in the estimates on Tuesday 12th February.

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Halfmanhalftimtam, A directions hearing is scheduled in SYD this Friday. No doubt FF will try to stretch the matter further, Barrier is currently bleeding around 30k per day.
But i wonder if CASA legal will be available for the SYD hearing as most are at the Senate, or perhaps in Montreal?

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Poor Beaker. He certainly looked confused about the phrase 'mid air'! He is only the head of the ATSB I guess, why would he need to know about 'mid air's'??
He would be more understanding of the words 'bonus, Montreal, tautology, Minister, spin' etc etc. It was a good thing that Darth Beaker had Sith Mrdak there to show him on paper what the Senators query was.

As for 'he who shall now be called Devo', the pot plant question was incredibly hilarious! I thought 'Devo' aka Mr Skull the pot plant man, was going to choke on his Bex!! Perhaps they are some kind of special gift pot plants that ICAO or the FAA gave Fort Fumble? Or some kind of mystical hocus pocus PNG plants that contain healing powers and soul soothing ability? Maybe they are an aphrodisiac or hold some kind or medicinal ability to heal a badly pineappled bot bot?

I can picture it now, Terry, Devo, The Doc, Adam, Herr Boyd, Sith Mrdak, Beaker all wearing pot plants on their head singing 'Working In A Coal Mine' while Big Chief Albanese plays the guitar!
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I'd forgotten about Hardy's. thanks for the update on Barrier.

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Halfmanhalfpotplant, I believe that when the bar room barristers meet in SYD tomorrow Fort Fumble will be pushing for a one month deferment. All this prior to a hearing date.
I guess we will have to wait until 1659 pm Friday for an update from with Barrier or the CASA bearded one Herr Gibson.

As Stan would say, 'safe skies are empty skies'.
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One bite from the gritty sandwich

Trawled through some of the documents this morning, still anticipating the Hansard release of the 'pot plant shenanigans', however Mr Urquharts submission when read in deatail is not only touching but he clearly outlines the failing of government, CASA and the ATSBeaker.

Also of interest is John F Devo's letter to Senator Heff, dated Feb 13, in which the pot plant puppeteer digests a small poo sandwich by retracting his use of the term 'audit'. Devo and Richard Dreyfuss are becoming accustomed to writing such letters over recent months. Are they exhibiting a side of their moral compass never before seen?? Nah, I didn't think so either, just more CYA activities me thinks.

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Halfmanhalftimtam, A directions hearing is scheduled in SYD this Friday. No doubt FF will try to stretch the matter further, Barrier is currently bleeding around 30k per day.
But i wonder if CASA legal will be available for the SYD hearing as most are at the Senate, or perhaps in Montreal?
For those interested here is the listing for Barrier tomorrow...err watch AA monitoring his phone!!
Justice RaresCourt Room 19E
9:30 AMFirst Directions
1(P)NSD2242/2012LEE-ANNE FOLKERS v WESTPAC BANKING CORPORATION ACN 007 457 141
2(P)NSD1918/2012LINFOX AUSTRALIA PTY LTD v TRANSPORT WORKERS' UNION OF AUSTRALIA & ANOR
3(P)NSD2240/2012CIVIL AVIATION SAFETY AUTHORITY v BARRIER AVIATION PTY LTD ACN 056 643 531
4(P)NSD2170/2012PATRICK BYRNE v MLC LIMITED ABN 90 000 000 402
5(P)NSD2011/2012SYKES GROUP PTY LTD ACN 004 093 752 v POWERHOUSE LOGISTICS PTY LTD ACN 050 065 631 & ORS
Notice the Ginger Ninja's favourite Justice is overseeing this one...hate to say it but the signs aren't good!
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Potted version.

The vision is not great – but you get the message. In the middle of a meltdown, pot plants. The body and facial language cracked me up.

Courtesy of the Good Senator Fiona Nash – The great pot plant saga.
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Is the hearing being broadcast via webcast on the senate site? If anyone knows and has the link please post!

Was in the right place now live - time for some fun.
Watch Parliament – Parliament of Australia

30 minutes to first question on notice to JM. think there was some betting on that.

If not watching you should. Senators giving them a very difficult time.

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I hope like hell that these people appearing this morning NEVER, NEVER operate machinery where they have to make an on the spot decision.
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