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Old 8th Mar 2013, 09:32
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Oleo,

Yes , agree Reports say Bens courses were well received in casa by attendees.

I wonder about the 'beyond reason' as suggested by Beaker. Seems a bit more like before Reason?
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Frank, I am in sync with you.

Frank, Just for you my friend, just for you;

This months special is the 'CASA del Pizza'. Every pizza comes with;
- Additional spices, with flavouring from some pot plant garnishing
- Mushrooms. Grown in a secret CASA location amongst worm castings
- Extra pineapple
- Every order is blessed by a Witchdoctor
- Every order is delivered in a pizza box lined with Flight Safety magazine pages , copies of the White Paper or 'Chambers report'
- All pizzas come with 'Reasoning Seasoning' and are covered with Swiss cheese. Line up all the pieces and you will find a bottle of Diet Coke
- Delivery is via government fleet car, UAV or riverboat

And yes our delivery and cooking procedures are very safe. All woodfire ovens have undergone a robust risk assessment and comply with regulatory procedures. Our delivery drivers and UAV operators have been mentored by our FOI's to ensure the company embraces 'worlds best practise'. Our AOC has just been reissued and an effective SMS is in place, commensurate with the size of our organisation. All Chefs are DAMP tested if the pizzas are burnt which is unlikely as we are ISO certified as part of our QMS. The risk of burnt pizzas has been mitigated by continuous surveillance and continual improvement within our Change Management system.

Frank, we look forward to receiving your order and promise to despatch your pizza within (cough cough) an agreed timeframe. (Please note that anybody taking the piss by making comments about delivery within 23 years will not be served!).

Regards
Management

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Frank, Just for you my friend, just for you;

This months special is
the 'CASA del Pizza'. Every pizza comes with;
- Additional spices, with
flavouring from some pot plant garnishing
- Mushrooms. Grown in a secret
CASA location amongst worm castings
- Extra pineapple
- Every order is
blessed by a Witchdoctor
- Every order is delivered in a pizza box lined with
Flight Safety magazine pages , copies of the White Paper or 'Chambers
report'
- All pizzas come with 'Reasoning Seasoning' and are covered with
Swiss cheese. Line up all the pieces and you will find a bottle of Diet Coke

- Delivery is via government fleet car, UAV or riverboat

And yes our delivery and cooking procedures are very safe. All woodfire ovens have undergone a robust risk assessment and comply with regulatory procedures. Our delivery drivers and UAV operators have been mentored by our FOI's to ensure the company embraces 'worlds best practise'. Our AOC has just been reissued and an effective SMS is in place, commensurate with the size of our organisation. All Chefs are DAMP tested if the pizzas are burnt which is unlikely as we are ISO certified as
part of our QMS. The risk of burnt pizzas has been mitigated by continuous surveillance and continual improvement within our Change Management system.

Frank, we look forward to receiving your order and promise to
despatch your pizza within (cough cough) an agreed timeframe. (Please note that anybody taking the piss by making comments about delivery within 23 years will not be served!).

Regards
Management
If the the answer to both is no then all you are doing is blowing smoke up your own backside by posting a constant stream of cryptic waffle pretending to be more important than you really are.
So Frank your actual contribution to try and bring about change to the Australian aviation system is zero as well?


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Reading about CRM and being a participant at a HF course is like sitting in front of the computer playing FS Oleo. Unless you actually are a PP and can put that knowledge into practise then you are just yet another wannabe pretending to know how pilots operate in a modern flight deck.
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Senate Pizza Menu.

Ahah!, the Mickey Bliss pizza parlour open for bizznezz; glad to see the health department finally left the premises. Interesting word premise:

"The proof of a conclusion depends on both the truth of the premises and the validity of the argument".
The pizza toppings from the Senate menu are varied, we have explored the known universe to find a truly unique mixture of the exotic for your dining pleasure:-

CRASS topping; an evocative mixture, subtly combining the aromatic elements of funeral parlour, public toilet and that - Oh, je ne sais quoi - you get from prawn heads 3 days in the boot. The pizza is loaded with exotic vegetable products which may, or may not have a detrimental effect. There are no guarantees offered with this specialty dish, except an definable improvement in bowel function.

ATABOY topping; a slightly confused mixture of texture and flavour, one for the connoisseur. Delicately balanced between the sublime and the ridiculous, this world renown mixture has many subtle twists and turns which confuse the uneducated palate. This pizza is not available to the general population. Please carefully read the very small print instructions printed inside (on the bottom) of the box.

Spenda Fortune topping; the work required to produce this incredibly light, fluffy confection is immense and makes this house speciality one of the most expensive items on our list. Light weight; a subtle hint of old socks rounds off this delicacy, much favoured by those who need to expend more calories eating than there are in the meal. Weight watchers award 1988.

Airline Standard topping; For airline food, this robust topping is delicious. The fresh flavours, clever combination of textures and overall customer satisfaction ratings make this one of the most popular on our menu.

Van Dyke topping; a traditional Dutch pizza, robust, detailed complex flavours with a bouquet of probity. A substantial, no frills meal; well worth the time it takes to eat.

Sea Food - surprise; the presentation of this pizza is unique; served in a life jacket shaped box with a complimentary whistle. This seafood pizza is not for the feint hearted, there is an understated aroma of kerosene, shark and the deep ocean which evokes feelings of cold wet nights spent waiting for a bus or a rescue boat; whichever comes first. Be brave and try this rare delight.

AIPA topping; a sensible, clever combination of both old and new flavours with a hint of mischief. This pizza is supplied with the highly coveted Customer satisfaction award; consistent, reliable and nearly always on time.

Gary's delight; one more fine example of a seafood delight. The Gary special has a hint of chilli which combined with the adrenalin producing additives provide a top lip sweat. This pizza is a limited edition and must be ordered well in advance due the difficulty in locating the presentation life raft shaped boxes.

Ahem topping; world renown for it's ability to promote "Ahem 's " from the diner. The unique combination of probity pudding and good commonsense vegetables make this delightful pizza a firm favourite of the more 'educated' palate.

Mighty Quinn topping: although frowned on initially by the more conservative lovers of traditional pizza; critics agree the unique blend of traditional and modern flavours, combined with the blow torch finishing technique has progressively come of age and, now that some of the teething problems are ironed out, it is well accepted by pizza lovers everywhere.

Dick's delectable topping; the choice of champions. Winner of the "Punters medal" for excellence. This superb topping won no less than 4 Gold medals in a recent, hard fought international competition. Highly recommended.

FOI surprise; the recipe is only available under strictly controlled conditions. Seekers of this particular pizza need to be determined as they are difficult to acquire. Due to a requirement to sign a non disclosure agreement, punters comments on this rare pizza can not be published.

AMROBA topping; known to aficionados as the Black Hand special. Sensible combinations of the rare and exotic elements contrast with skilled innovation to provide a delicious pizza which may be eaten everyday with safety; and may provide ingredients essential for a long healthy life. Gold medal for "Commonsense Pizza Making".

Urquhart express; not for those with irritable bowel syndrome or a nervous predisposition. This pizza is fully loaded with the hot, spicy flavours of the far north and it is a dish best served cold. Fully supported by the Temperance, Justice and Knitting circle of FNQ.

AsAsA topping; this is a 'don't blink' sort of pizza. The weak, slighty stale flavours generated by the insipid ingredients leave a pronounced, indefinable aftertaste. Included in the menu more for political correctness than demand; although it must be mentioned that the pizza does generate considerable profits for it's purveyors. It is rumoured that this is due to a monopoly on one corner of a scantily populated market place. Yours for AUD$ 100,000,000.

Felidae topping: described more as a dip than a pizza, it is circular (therefore qualifies) but the essence is difficult to define, this pizza has been described as a 'scrambled egg' sort of dipping sauce. There is a requirement for bland, easy to digest meals without much flavour which leave those who like them with little discomfort except a slight 'hot air' burble in the tail pipe.

Take your pick....You ring – we bring.

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Kharon, solid work for you. Take 2 chocolate frogs. But be warned, you may now also reap Looklame's wrath and be accused along with myself and Frank as being a 'wannabe', an expert on FS!!
Oh Kharon and Frank, my oh my how much we are missing out on, sitting and playing FS while the 'true experts' like Looklame cruise the skies.

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So Frank your actual contribution to try and bring about change to the Australian aviation system is zero as well?
If you don't laugh, you cry.

They, (you know, them), have had 23 years to bring about change and failed miserably. What makes you think we can improve the situation when it is run by fiat and despots.

Close the joint down and start again may help but it would be cheaper to subcontract the role to someone like The Kiwi's who appear to know what they are doing in aviation, or sell the whole outfit to The Mafia where we'll all know exacty what to expect and where we stand in the big scheme of things.

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Yes and yes, with a sprinkling of cryptic waffling

Lookleft, your comments got me thinking over the weekend old timer. Thinking of what you may ask? Well thinking about your confident robust 'yes and yes' statement!
So I thought to myself 'perhaps Lookleft is indeed a man of integrity, intelligence and a man brimming with testicular fortitude' and indeed did make a submission to the senate?? Anyway my research was lengthy, and I am slightly confused but maybe you can help me out here because it would seem there are some cryptic comments in one of the 18 senate submissions. You see one of the submissions (if you do your research I am confident you will find the one) has a large amount of, I guess, egotistical waffle, but the submission is made containing the individuals personal thoughts on the Norfolk ditching, but the submitter admits he did not fully research all the CASA and ATSB work in relation to this matter!
How odd? This is all very cryptic. Perhaps with all your experience in human factors and the like you could give a brief summary as to what all that means?
Thanks old timer.

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Oleo - come down this arvo. Gobbles got loose last night with the chain saw – again. Minnie crash tackled him before he got off the boat, seems somebody's goat had gotten into his beloved pineapple patch. The umpires wanted to issue Minnie a yellow card, but sense prevailed. Anyway, it seems the 'flesh eating slug repellent' Gobbles was using violently disagrees with goats, so honour was satisfied.

Now then, P7 a.k.a. TOM is on his way here with a fresh scandal pizza and some home brew which he swears is worth getting out the best pots for. We shall see: the ale is always superb, but just lately his pizza shop de jour leaves something to be desired. Perhaps he's found a new one.

Anyway, Minnie has made goat pies and savoury pineapple turnovers for afters. Just love a lazy Sunday; ale, afternoon tea and Bankstown scandal. 1530 for 1600 if you can get that ancient hot air balloon thingy of yours going. "K".

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Lookleft, more blah blah. Fool.
So we've gone from this to this:

Lookleft, your comments got me thinking over the weekend old timer.
In a way I suppose I should be flattered but in reality you probably are worried that maybe I might know what I am talking about. But then you have to go and spoil all this new found bon homme with:

You see one of the submissions (if you do your research I am confident you will find the one) has a large amount of, I guess, egotistical waffle, but the submission is made containing the individuals personal thoughts on the Norfolk ditching, but the submitter admits he did not fully research all the CASA and ATSB work in relation to this matter!
If its full of egotistical waffle it would probably be something that you have put in but then I forgot you don't actually want to participate in the process you just want to snipe from the sidelines.

You remind me of those parasites that infest all aviation organisations called pilot haters. Never actually managed to be one but you feel you have enough knowledge to disparage those who are. At least you have finally managed to put in a post that is not full of references to pizzas and pot plants and for that we should all be grateful.

Far from your oleo being extended I think its more likely shoved that far up your APU exhaust that its protruding into your avionics bay!
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Two bob's worth for 5 cents

I've never seen a personal pissing competition on Prune end up any way other than thread closed, discussion ruined and the participants looking slightly foolish. Get a room boys; get on the PM's, use a heliograph, smoke signals or flags; but don't bring this shabby behaviour onto a useful thread, unless of course you wish to derail it or have the topic closed. Knock it off FCS.

Well - can't think for the bloody racket.
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Couldn't agree more K but when hand grenades get lobbed into one's trench the response is not to turn your back and ignore it! If however the hand grenades stop coming then no response is required. Just defending my tiny patch of the frontline.
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Senate Inquiry - PelAir

Enough LookLeft, this thread has has some very valid comment and does not need you taking it in this direction.

As Kharon says:

Get a room boys; get on the PM's, use a heliograph, smoke signals or flags; but don't bring this shabby behaviour onto a useful thread, unless of course you wish to derail it or have the topic closed.

Knock it off FCS.
Many of the contributors in this thread are serious contenders in the industry across a range of both issues and sectors from pilots to maintenance. Many have put in sumissions to the Inquiry and "put their money where their mouth is...".

Let's move the discussion forward without the sniping LL.

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Hempel

Got a feeling the Hempel inquest report is due this week?
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I agree with you LL. There's a lot of smug chest-beating and other histrionics in most of the recent posts in this thread.

When the Senate Committee publishes a report full of sound and fury, signifying nothing, changing nothing, and gathering dust in the wake of an election campaign, what will we hear then?

At most, Mr McCormick will go.

And that will change absolutely nothing.
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..................and then there will be a major hull loss with concomitant loss of lfe.......to be blamed on the pilot.

...............and then there will be a second and a third before the public twigs...........................
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At most, Mr McCormick will go.

And that will change absolutely nothing.
Never a truer word was spoken!

PAIN_NET, I can set up a Poll but I think your proposed questions preempt the Inquiry outcome? And if the Poll asks those four questions of the group posting to this thread, the result will be obvious, overwhelming support for question 4.

1) The inquiry has revealed both CASA and ATSB acted correctly, need only make minor administrative and procedural corrections, completing this process internally.

2) The inquiry has revealed a need for an overhaul of both CASA and ATSB procedures, protocols and methodology for incident investigation and reporting. This to be completed by audit through an independent external NAA.

3) The inquiry has revealed deep, systemic failures and fault lines within the existing structure. The perceived breaches of various Acts requiring an independent Judicial investigation into the CASA ATSB interrelationship.

4) The inquiry has revealed that Pel Air inquiry was an aberration. The entire matter to be re examined, from the beginning; independently, by a credible, qualified team reporting directly to the Senate Committee.
And some of you - pull your heads in, stop playing the man and debate the topic, or we'll start deleting posts and if necessary, thread banning users.
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Peace pipes, hand shakes, group love and even a friendly grope.

Biscuit, I heard some interesting chitter chatter this evening while indulging in an Irish meal and a few robust pints of that delightful drop they call Guinness.
My associate tells me there has been a lot of discussions in Spamberra about the impending Hempel report. The back room discussions allegedly have been very very robust so it will be interesting to see what it says.
Same source isn't so sure it will be released within the next month, but can't confirm this, so who knows. Rumour also has it that FF will be bang more nails into a certain FNQ operators coffin over the coming weeks, and, FF has its sights on yet another operator (unnamed) and we should all 'watch this space'! Again, all rumour, so in theory this would be the correct place to drop this info as some of these ongoing and/or impending actions are being somewhat 'defined' by the senate inquiry. Interesting.

'Safe skies are loving skies'

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Hemple + YAK

Hempel [see #436]:

http://www.pprune.org/pacific-genera...nquest-22.html
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Creamie – not sure I entirely agree with your forecast Senate result. The DAS was going and anyway; if he was ever truly 'there' as part of the iron circle. This group of Senators appear to understand the deeper implications of the Pel Air incident and they don't give the impression that they are simply looking for a donkey to pin a tail on (spoiled for choice).

Hempel and Skymaster (Canley Vale) are due for more attention, not within the ambit of the current inquiry I know; but, in their own way significant and further highlight just how out of shape the CASA administration is. No doubt you have been reading through some of the proposed new 'rules', they are worth a public outcry for bad drafting alone.

I do sincerely wish I knew how to fix things up so the system could be useful, sensible and clear; but I fear the rot is too deeply entrenched to be cured without radical surgery. If the current Senate Committee can't, don't or won't make the much needed changes this go around, then the next one will have to – or the one after that.

Anyway – back to the cryptic crossword, a nice cup of tea and another day in aviation paradise, trying not to get goaled.

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Hempel and Skymaster (Canley Vale) are due for more attention,
Ah yes the many other skeletons in the closet...and don't forget the ATC boys'n'gals apparently the FF GWM King pin Hoodoo Voodo and Beaker's bureau are also doing them are huge disservice.

As "K" said we're quite spoilt for choice...however since UITA has lit up the BH thread...hmm and I know I found some juicy morsels while sifting through the fossilized pony pooh I dug up last time when big bad bazza was in the spotlight...no BH it is then Canleyvale......then blah..then blah..!
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