Senate Inquiry, Hearing Program 4th Nov 2011
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The picture presents new recruits awaiting processing at the training centre. This is the pre lobotomy and castration stage of training, where 'trough addiction' is taught.
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Once upon a time
In a land far far away :-
Even the old boys back then knew a fairy story when they heard it.
Do not consider it proof just because it is written in books, for a liar who will deceive with his tongue will not hesitate to do the same with his pen. Maimonides 1135 – 1204.
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Nunc est bibendum
Of course he did. The sad reality is that he has plausible deniability on this one. Contingencies are made but the decision wasn't made to execute the decision until the Saturday morning.
Everyone knows it- including the Parliament- but no one can do anything about it.
Again though, if he decided on a whim to shut the airline down on the Saturday morning then it shows an immensely flawed and dysfunctional decision making process at the exec and board level of Qantas.
Everyone knows it- including the Parliament- but no one can do anything about it.
Again though, if he decided on a whim to shut the airline down on the Saturday morning then it shows an immensely flawed and dysfunctional decision making process at the exec and board level of Qantas.
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Again though, if he decided on a whim to shut the airline down on the Saturday morning then it shows an immensely flawed and dysfunctional decision making process at the exec and board level of Qantas.
Where does that decison sit under CAA's 'fit and proper person' methodolgy? Safety first? An increased appetite for risk?
Try studying the phrases 'risk', 'rogue' and 'aviation management', it paints a telling picture when combined.
As for Madam Lash, she/he has been facing off Sheldon for ages now, listening to her is like listening to 2 pieces off chalking being scraped down a blackboard.
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Yes the decision was made on Saturday, it's just pure luck the couriers were all ready and able to deliver the lock out notices the next day that were quite by chance printed off and ready to go.hotel rooms booked in advance and managers who just happenened to be in the right place at the right time to assist with the PR disaster to follow, just bloody good luck eh.
Any decent investigative reporter could find the holes in the story, trouble is is there a decent investigative reporter who could publish such a tale of liesand deception out there?
Any decent investigative reporter could find the holes in the story, trouble is is there a decent investigative reporter who could publish such a tale of liesand deception out there?
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Well HELLOooooo....
Qantas accused of misleading MPs on workforce lockout
by: EWIN HANNAN
From: The Australian
June 01, 2012 12:00AM
QANTAS executives discussed locking out the airline workforce two weeks before the company grounded its fleet last year, prompting union claims last night that the airline had misled federal parliament.
Gareth Evans, the airline's chief financial officer, told Fair Work Australia that the airline's executive committee had discussed the option of locking out the workforce "probably two weeks" before aircraft were grounded last October.
Wake up Australia!
Massive numbers of Hotel rooms booked well before the event (apparently)!
by: EWIN HANNAN
From: The Australian
June 01, 2012 12:00AM
QANTAS executives discussed locking out the airline workforce two weeks before the company grounded its fleet last year, prompting union claims last night that the airline had misled federal parliament.
Gareth Evans, the airline's chief financial officer, told Fair Work Australia that the airline's executive committee had discussed the option of locking out the workforce "probably two weeks" before aircraft were grounded last October.
Wake up Australia!
Massive numbers of Hotel rooms booked well before the event (apparently)!
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If it was suspected that he misled parliament, couldn't that call for some sort of investigation? I'd be looking for -
-What instructions were given to the printers and when they started printing.
-How many hotel rooms they booked that weekend compared to the previous few weekends.
-movements of managers.
-What instructions were given to couriers and when they started asking their staff to work the weekend.
Any other suggestions? If there is an avenue here it may be explored.
-What instructions were given to the printers and when they started printing.
-How many hotel rooms they booked that weekend compared to the previous few weekends.
-movements of managers.
-What instructions were given to couriers and when they started asking their staff to work the weekend.
Any other suggestions? If there is an avenue here it may be explored.
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With the revelations regarding FWA prosecutions regarding cadets and thai cabin crew that have come to light since both enquiries, the senators should have someone go through the Hansard and discover that both Alan and Bruce pulled their chain on a number of occasions.
What did BB constantly say "lets get to the facts". Hmmm. Well now someone has and exposed a catalogue of lies and, at best blatantly misleading statements.
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What did BB constantly say "lets get to the facts". Hmmm. Well now someone has and exposed a catalogue of lies and, at best blatantly misleading statements.
More to Follow
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The Key
Is Hansard – but the lock is hidden deep within the questions on notice and the way that system is exploited. There are some tricky rules associated which, no surprise, are fully 'utilised'. There's a full days work for someone but the results will make you smile.
Perhaps some carefully framed questions with the wriggle room barred at both doors presented to the Senate could expose the whole mess.
But then again – their lips would be moving during the answers. QED.
Kelpie - What did BB constantly say "lets get to the facts". Hmmm. Well now someone has and exposed a catalogue of lies and, at best blatantly misleading statements.
But then again – their lips would be moving during the answers. QED.
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Fed Sec.
Perhaps the good senators should have gone straight the "print source".
Who worked on Saturday 29th October 2011 who usually don't work on Saturdays.
When was the print job booked?
When did the print run start?
What was the expected outcome of the print job on the morning of October 29th.
Why were the printers waiting for the 5pm call?
MC
Perhaps the good senators should have gone straight the "print source".
Who worked on Saturday 29th October 2011 who usually don't work on Saturdays.
When was the print job booked?
When did the print run start?
What was the expected outcome of the print job on the morning of October 29th.
Why were the printers waiting for the 5pm call?
MC
You may all be right but....
"Contingency planning" sometimes involves significant expense.
My take is that their defence will be something along the lines of;
"QF's only legal response was a lockout and, although it was a last resort, we had to put measures in place which enabled such a course of action to be effective with minimum inconvenience to the customers. As per Mr Joyce's testimony the final decision was not taken until the Saturday morning."
The cost of hotel bookings, couriers, printing etc were a necessary, if dispensable, expense which has been written off against that nasty industrial action by the unions.
Yep, you can call me cynical.
My take is that their defence will be something along the lines of;
"QF's only legal response was a lockout and, although it was a last resort, we had to put measures in place which enabled such a course of action to be effective with minimum inconvenience to the customers. As per Mr Joyce's testimony the final decision was not taken until the Saturday morning."
The cost of hotel bookings, couriers, printing etc were a necessary, if dispensable, expense which has been written off against that nasty industrial action by the unions.
Yep, you can call me cynical.
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QF's only legal response was a lockout
Lockout Adelaide LAMEs for one day.
Lockout Second Officers for one hour.
Lockout one Baggage Handler per crew for 4 hours.
The list is endless.
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QANTAS managers were already flown in place around the world when the grounding took place. Flights had departed at least the day before.
Could they not be made to appear before the Senate?
Could they be asked what discussions they had with others about their testimony?
Could they not be made to appear before the Senate?
Could they be asked what discussions they had with others about their testimony?
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If there is enough doubt to suggest that AJ or others may have committed perjury and perverted the course of justice then the senators need to get them back.
If you want some parallels look at the News of the World inquiry in the UK. Andy Coulson is facing if not already charged with perjury for misleading that inquiry.
Geoffrey Archer served 2 years in prison for pejury and lost his knighthood.
So this could get very interesting!
If you want some parallels look at the News of the World inquiry in the UK. Andy Coulson is facing if not already charged with perjury for misleading that inquiry.
Geoffrey Archer served 2 years in prison for pejury and lost his knighthood.
So this could get very interesting!
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"QF's only legal response was a lockout and, although it was a last resort, we had to put measures in place which enabled such a course of action to be effective with minimum inconvenience to the customers. As per Mr Joyce's testimony the final decision was not taken until the Saturday morning."
And besides, on how many other occasions had they planned for such "contingencies"?
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The cost of hotel bookings, couriers, printing etc were a necessary, if dispensable, expense which has been written off against that nasty industrial action by the unions.
For reference, the second inquiry here,
about 1.05 in part B, BB puts his foot in it, AJ tries to cover for him... the whole thing stinks but the good senators miss their opportunity to nail them... as usual... and AJ wanted to get to the airport all of a sudden
Even though it takes a long time to get through all this stuff I believe there are many things the media missed because it is so long which worked to AJs advantage at the end of the day....
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The sad reality of all this smoke and mirrors, is just that. Smoke and Mirrors! QF have 99% of the pollie's peckers in their pocket, and the vast majority of investigative journalists as well.
Nothing will come of any of it, despite the fact that both AJ and BB should spend considerable years in jail!
Don't delude yourselves that we live in a democracy.
Nothing will come of any of it, despite the fact that both AJ and BB should spend considerable years in jail!
Don't delude yourselves that we live in a democracy.