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Senate Inquiry, Hearing Program 4th Nov 2011

Old 6th Feb 2012, 10:19
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Some ears needed boxing...

The smugness, contempt and arrogance on display made my skin crawl...

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Old 6th Feb 2012, 12:01
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Money can't buy prettiness, to be sure....

A slight thread drift but are Uncle Fester and the triple chinned Irishman getting uglier? Is milking the Qantas purse and extracting millions of non hard earned dollars some kind of 'ugly pill'? Every time they disappear for a month or two and then reappear they look more and more like they have been dropped head first from an A380 tail into the Mascot mill pond!!
Imagine if Wirthless were to hibernate for 12 months then reappear - It would be like a scene out of the original 'Texas Chainsaw Masacre'!!

I don't know about all of you but this mob of tyrants really could do with an Extreme Makeover. I am worried that their presence on TV will scare the s#it out of the grandkids and give them nightmares, I mean jeez I know The Wiggles seem to grow uglier every time I see them but the Red and Orange Execs give new meaning to 'bulldog ugly'. Would it be to rude to ask the Senate if paper bags could be place over these blokes heads during question time....to be sure to be sure.

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Old 6th Feb 2012, 15:17
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Senate inquiry 06-02-2012

Sorry this has taken so long, special thanks to a couple of ppruners for helping me get all this together, sorry for the quality, it was the best I could do but watchable.











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Old 6th Feb 2012, 17:29
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Full Qantas/Jetstar Senate Inquiry 6-2-12

Whilst I was processing these videos I noted this story popped up on today's web SMH page. AJ & BB played this tune to death all through the hearing. Got me thinking, why not merge J* back into Qantas calling the Jetstar side of things "Qantas Lite" or something similar and get back to tackling the opposition. The amount of energy AJ & BB used defending their own management stupidity by ordering the wrong equipment, then blaming the staff for all their problems is just childish in my opinion...

Having said that, the press on yesterdays proceedings in Canberra so far have been dismal. AJ & BBs performances were woeful and they are getting away with it.



The last paragraph in this story bothers me.. both sides of government appear to show very little interest, so sad.


Jetstar viability at risk, warns Joyce

Matt O'Sullivan

February 7, 2012

QANTAS'S chief executive, Alan Joyce, has argued that proposed law changes aimed at limiting the ability to hire foreign-based flight crews will force its budget offshoot, Jetstar, to pull out of Darwin and Cairns.
Fronting a Senate committee in Canberra yesterday, Mr Joyce also said proposed changes to the Qantas Sale Act, compelling it to perform more work such as aircraft maintenance in Australia, would force it to decide between letting Jetstar ''wither'' or selling the low-cost subsidiary.
Qantas's push to set up Asian subsidiaries, employing staff such as pilots and flight attendants on lower salaries than their Australian counterparts, was at the centre of the standoff with unions last year.
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Although the airline has settled with its 1600 aircraft engineers, its dispute with long-haul pilots and ground crews is set to be determined in a binding ruling by the workplace regulator.
In his fourth appearance before the committee in a year, Mr Joyce described the proposed cabin crew bill and amendments to the Qantas Sale Act as a ''major threat to our business [and] to Australian jobs''.
He said restrictions on Jetstar's ability to employ foreign-based cabin crew would increase its labour bill for flights to the ''already unprofitable'' cities of Darwin and Cairns by more than $3 million
''That is not a threat - that is a fact,'' Mr Joyce said when Alex Gallacher, a Labor senator, questioned the validity of his threats to pull out of Cairns and Darwin. Jetstar has four aircraft based in Darwin.
''The impact on regional tourism and development would be immediate and negative. Strangling our international business and forcing us to pay uncompetitive wages compared to our foreign airline competition is no way to make us stronger, better or more Australian.''
But the independent senator Nick Xenophon, who has championed the two proposed bills, later described as ''ridiculous'' the claims Jetstar would have to pull out of the two cities if it had to offer foreign-based crew local wages and conditions when they worked on domestic flights.
Jetstar pays its foreign-based cabin crew about a third of what Australian flights attendants earn. Thai-based cabin crew earn about 60,000 Thai baht ($1800) a month, which Jetstar emphasised yesterday was about 10 times the average salary in Thailand.
Mr Joyce said the proposed changes to the Qantas Sale Act ''go way beyond'' the original aims of the legislation. It includes a requirement that Jetstar conduct the majority of its heavy maintenance in Australia.
''These amendments in total - from the make-up of the Qantas board to the location of our flight training - would apply intrusions and restrictions on Qantas that do not apply to our competitors,'' he said.
The proposed tightening of the Qantas Sale Act is aimed at reining in the airline's aggressive overseas expansion plans, which include a proposal to set up an ultra-premium airline in south-east Asia.
But the proposals are understood to have little support among Labor and Coalition ranks. Virgin Australia has also argued against the changes at previous Senate hearings.



Read more: Jetstar viability at risk, warns Joyce
Below are the rest of yesterdays hearing, I noted that Ben Sandilands got a mention in part 5 I think, he has been the only journalist over the past twelve months who seems to have a handle on the whole situation to do with Oz aviation... everyone else just seems to go along with AJ & Co...

There is some good stuff in the videos all divided up into 15 min segments




















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Old 6th Feb 2012, 21:01
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Thanks tima9x well done
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Cairns Airport, TTNQ to explore Singapore air link - Local Cairns Business | cairns.com.au

Perhaps Jetstar are Planning to withdraw from the route & it's convenient to blame labour costs?

If only mainline had some spare 767 capacity & crews to operate CNS-SIN direct. Oh that's right the aircraft are getting parked & the crew on assigned leave.

So the pax have to endure a JQ flight to DRW with a 4 hour back of the clock transit prior to their flight to SIN.

The market wants a direct Asia service, where is our national carrier?


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Old 7th Feb 2012, 02:15
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Perhaps Jetstar are already running scared of SCOOT as well?

New budget airline books Gold Coast arrival


South-east Asia's newest budget airline, Scoot, has selected the Gold Coast as its second Australian destination, ramping up pressure on Qantas's budget offshoot, Jetstar, on its home turf.
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Joyce and BB it's time to go..........

Of course these two chumps, Uncle Fester and Mini Me, are trying to twist words and deflect attention away from the facts by bleating on about the 'detrimental effects upon QF and JQ' that will occur if the silly Senators pursue their course of action in the senate.
If these two Nimrods are so incompetent that they are unable to mitigate a change in the aviation environment by way of regulatory, legislative or even a change to the Sales Act then they should pack their incompetent bags and pi#s of now. I thought they are meant to get paid the many many millions they do because they are meant to be the most competent, astute, skilled and effective leaders available?

Qantas for all it's faults is a national icon, like it or not. The pathetic Australian government needs to wake up to the fact that QF is viewed localy and internationaly as part of Australian heritage. You wouldn't allow a group of rogues to destroy the Kakadu, Uluru, Sydney Harbor Bridge or the Opera House would you? (Hmmm, then again).
These nupty CEO's and trough swilling Board parasites need to have the brakes apllied to them soon. If they continue destroying our heritage there will be blood spilled (analogy). We won't permit the Roo to be destroyed without the bloodiest and most patriotic fight seen in this country for a long time.
Gillard and Co need to come out from behind their protective word spinning bureaucratic curtain, exercise their balls and take this issue in hand once and for all, who know's it could help them earn back a tiny merit of respect.
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 03:15
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so encouraging that the airport staff are engaged and making the
changes needed. explains why a once bustling place like brisbane
international terminal is a qf ghost town after 1800.
thanks for the you tube vids tima9x, i quite liked the jimi hendrix
version of johnny b goode, added to the whole sideshow atmosphere.
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 05:10
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 05:54
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Where was the question on the Qantas Frequent Flyer program?

Specifically, at what prices does the FF component of Qantas buy tickets from Qantas International?
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Old 7th Feb 2012, 07:40
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for the record of the thread,, as a reminder for the last senate hearing 4-11-11.
I find this WA 7.30 report a good example (probably the best) of the hard questions AJ & BB faced.



Is it just me, this time around I felt the senators questions were delivered with a lot less punch... It feels like AJ got off lightly yesterday. Be interested in other peoples views.
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Is it just me, this time around I felt the senators questions were delivered with a lot less punch... It feels like AJ got off lightly yesterday. Be interested in other peoples views.
Yes, I expected the questions to be a lot more direct. I am surprised Doug Cameron was not there or Bob Brown. Whilst Nick X was still pursuing the right angles I am sorry to say he seemed out there on his own.

It is clear to me which side the opposition is on.

Fortunately for us the immigration compliance issue is not a political issue but a law compliance issue and I would like to know what DIAC are doing or have done about it as Border Security have the power to detain the foreign crew at the departure gates or even huckle them off the aircraft just prior to departure for questioning. What are they waiting for??

As for Paul Daff, Joyce did all but admit that Daff acted daft when giving evidence in the Jet-connect Case. Blaming 'stage fright'. I call Bullshit!! I am of the opinion that he was strategically told not to tell the court all he knew and just deny everything. If able to be demonstrated this would be called contempt of court and any suggestion of stage fright or anything else is irrelevant. Evidence given to the court should be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth... No excuses!!!

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Old 7th Feb 2012, 11:43
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I see discrepancies in AJ's answers in part 9 regarding Jetconnect and Jetstar not being grounded (as they were isolated from Qf staff). Don't QF engineers service Jetconnect and Jetstar??
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The leprec**t was seen boarding a Malaysian flight this arvo out of yssy.

Is anyone else sick and tired of this 'the roo is dead if we don't get our way' bs?

What a bunch of fish bowled tossers.
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Is it just me, this time around I felt the senators questions were delivered with a lot less punch...
I often wondered what was going on behind the scenes in Canberra when the Howard gov was trying to bring in the draconian workchoices policy. I am sure there are still a few relationships that run deep in our political system. In the absence of Doug, Nick seemed to be one of the few chasing the main agenda items. And my hats off to him, he is one smart and cool cookie.
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And my hats off to him, he is one smart and cool cookie.
Seconded!!
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Nick seemed to be one of the few chasing the main agenda items.
Yep, Nicks heart is certainly in the right place, I fully support Ngineer & The Kelpie's comments above.

Today I watched it through again, I believe that there are a few things said by AJ and BB that may come back to haunt them.... one in part 6 about 1.09 mins in where AJ says "the 787 has about 20 percent over existing technology," (the 777 I presume) which in my view still remains to be seen.. amongst a few other things which I will edit together as soon as I get some time for you all to consider.. I also found part 10 about 8.06 in very interesting as well... "if you don't get your own way you will withdraw services which is a Ryan Air practice." or similar words...
should have it up in a day or so.


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"if you don't get your own way you will withdraw services which is a Ryan Air practice." or similar words...
I was just informed of the available seats on the JQ57 CNS-DRW over the next week or so.

May I suggest to AJ, the cabin crew & flight crew could work for free & you would still loose money on that route.

Perhaps the Senators should ask for the traffic figures & revenue on that route before falling for some more executive spin.

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Xenophon should have asked BB.

Why can QF (Domestic) make 100's of millions operating domestically & paying Australian terms & conditions?

Alan, maybe your comment in the first Senate Inquiry that $50 domestic fares are sustainable simply isn't true.
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