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Senate Inquiry, Hearing Program 4th Nov 2011

Old 9th Nov 2011, 06:25
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Worrals, thanks for the kind words, it's a pleasure. I do it because I believe in the cause, and because I fear if Mr Clifford and his mouthpiece AJ get away with it, we will see a whole raft of Australian corporates following suit with off-shoring jobs.

I lived in the UK for ten years, they did the same thing, now look at the mess they are in..... they sold the farm for a service industry economy, it failed. Australia runs about ten years behind the cycle... just like lemmings we are doing it, in the name of short term gain.... other words, filling the back wallets of a few executives without a care in the world about the peoples lives they destroy along the way.

Sadly, we have a talentless weak Government and Opposition who are so fused together with similar policies, companies like Qantas are allowed to walk all over them. The FWA act has been trashed before our eyes and Gillard knows it...... Abbott's lot privatised our airports who have no competition, each state apart from QLD have one international gateway..... sad.. and the mainstream media just roll along with the stupidity of it all...

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Old 9th Nov 2011, 09:24
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Thanks from me too TIMA9X. I genuinly hang out for your next post and hope that you've managed to post all the stuff I've missed- and you always come up with the goods.
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 09:51
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There is already talk of a lockout of the striking nurses
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 10:14
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Yep, and it's described as a "Qantas-style lockout" of nurses by some publications.

Didn't take the union busters in other industries long to follow the Leprechaun's example
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 10:37
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Well, hasn't the "doing a Qantas" just become the generic qualifier.

Did something just blow up in the face of narcissism?

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Old 9th Nov 2011, 10:39
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Never forget they are Julia's IR rules. She re-wrote Howard's rules.
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 10:45
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clotted... phhhhhtttt.

Nice try, but the history is there, GD & LC were the prime architects of work choices, rusted on people such as yourself now need to keep very quiet lest you be seen to be doing a Qantas...
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 19:59
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GD & LC were the prime architects of work choices
Sober up. They may be guilty of many things but to say they dictated to government is ludicrous.
Instead of letting your bias and emotion dictate your thoughts, why don't you have a little read of FWA and how it was designed and then reach a conclusion.
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 20:07
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Never forget they are Julia's IR rules. She re-wrote Howard's rules.
Clotted, IMHO, that would have to be one of the most ignorant statements I've seen on PPRuNe.

Were you around during Work Choices ?, did you work under an AWA Mk1 ?.

Let me tell you first hand, the present system is not without some short comings, which will evolve in time, but Work Choices was plain evil.

There is always need to be balance between the left and the right, Julia/Kevin07 are pretty close to balanced.

Little Johnny / Abbott, are not anywhere near balanced, its in their DNA ( plus any guy that would wear budgie smugglers anywhere other than a gay bar is not real smart in my eyes ).
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 20:53
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.....not that theres anything wrong with that
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 21:52
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plus any guy that would wear budgie smugglers anywhere other than a gay bar is not real smart in my eyes
Lets hope you don't get into any trouble at the beach and need any of those "not very smart" people to save your life then.
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 21:59
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did you work under an AWA Mk1
I did, great thing, though most of us over here have never needed some union hack to stand up for us anyway. I remember when the Pilbara was controlled by the unions, what cluster F#$$. Yes a small minority at a few big mines had it sweat, but if it was still up to them the industry would be half the size.

Best thing we ever did was give them the boot, conditions have improved 10 fold, and that was before the boom, now they are sky rocketing. The old them versus us attitude is a thing of the past, the likes of Sheldon loves it, gives them purpose.

The only real sad bit I see in this is the Pilots and their union, I thought they showed great initative in the way they went about things.
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 22:24
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but to say they dictated to government is ludicrous
what, as opposed to the first weekend in November?
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 22:32
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the present system is not without some short comings, which will evolve in time, but Work Choices was ........

There is always need to be balance between the left and the right,
I don't disagree with this and I didn't say that I was a supporter of Work Choices, BUT I think it is unreasonable to be critical of an employer who plays by Julia's rules if it has a contrary outcome to an individual's desired outcome.
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 22:36
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what, as opposed to the first weekend in November?
If you mean Qantas provoked the government to invoke a provision of FWA to bring a dispute to a head, I think he has admitted publicly he did that and that was what he intended.
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 22:48
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clotted, I'll be gentle with you because you are obviously emerging from the stupor of being a rusted on Liberal.

From a 2008 study.

http://epubs.scu.edu.au/cgi/viewcont...workchoices%22

"Geoff Dixon, another BCA board member, has been the CEO of QANTAS Airways Limited since 2001. Dixon’s career includes various positions within Qantas such as Executive Director, Deputy Chief Executive Communications, Group Executive General Manager of Communications and Executive General Manager of Marketing and Corporate Affairs. Outside the former state owned company, Dixon has worked for Air Pacific, Ansett and Leighton Holdings. Like his fellow board members in the Business Council, Dixon saw corporate goals clearly. In an address to the QANTAS General Meeting in October, 2005, Dixon endorsed the proposed IR reforms which would enter Parliament in November, stating: They will give established successful companies like Qantas greater flexibility to adapt to changing market conditions...Because if they do not, or if we do not, be sure that others will come in and use green fields costs or foreign structural advantages to devastating effect.54

It would have been utterly surprising if Dixon had not supported the reforms, considering the BCA had proposed them before the government. Dixon is an example of an ex-public sector manager who has benefited from the privatisation of QANTAS."

clotted, read that last paragraph again, and then read the next one about LC.

An ironic Qantas victory: Kohler

Obviously you've been out of the country for the last 10 years, all of what I said is on the public record, next time do some research before you accuse people of being drunk.
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Old 9th Nov 2011, 22:56
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Correct me if I am wrong, IIRC Geoff Dixon was on John Howard's advisory board to oversee the design & writing of the workchoices legislation?
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Old 10th Nov 2011, 00:59
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Little Johnny / Abbott, are not anywhere near balanced, its in their DNA ( plus any guy that would wear budgie smugglers anywhere other than a gay bar is not real smart in my eyes ).
Who've got the rhetoric down pat, Shed Dog
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Old 10th Nov 2011, 01:20
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As a bloke who is completely and utterly straight, I still prefer Abbott in his smugglers (surfclub gear) than Gillard in a set anyday.
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Old 10th Nov 2011, 01:56
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G'day Teresa,

Silvio didn't agree with you. Did you see him leering at young Julia (at the G20 mtgs) on the news last night?
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