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Old 19th Dec 2011, 09:22
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Bring out the puppets

What, bored on a flight from Bangkok?? When the IFE fails - What ever happened to a game of 'hand puppets' under the blanket or under you and the little ladies coats???
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Old 19th Dec 2011, 14:49
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What was the movie? Gallipoli?

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Old 19th Dec 2011, 22:44
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Unfortunately its only a matter of time for AA. You will find that all the insurers will ditch them. There is no way one is going to stay in the game when another has assessed them as unworthy of insurance. How does that work for anyone when/if it all goes to crap. There would not be enough money in it as they are so small a player to take that risk.
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Old 19th Dec 2011, 23:04
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As Air Australia doesn't fly to Bangkok, I have to wonder which airline it was that the passengers were bored on...

The amount of unqualified bulltish that sprouts from this website (some of it most certainly vindictive) makes me very comfortable that the insolvency insurance issue is, in fact, a non-issue.

Only a few years ago, there would have been universal support for Air Australia from all the wannabies on this forum. Now look - typical ozzie tall-poppy lopping!

Pathetic!
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Old 20th Dec 2011, 02:08
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Air Australia does fly from Phuket to Melbourne a couple of times a week, so at this stage we'd have to say this turkish rumour might have some truth to it. Can't completely rule it out, anyway.
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Old 20th Dec 2011, 03:12
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Indeed Capt Gday - that was the origin of my frustration; I'm sure that there may have been an IFE issue, but it would be nice to add cred to the rumour by being more accurate with the (basic) details, such as where the aircraft departed from.

When scribes can't even get that right, then I start to doubt the other stuff that they write.
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Old 20th Dec 2011, 04:31
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I have flown them several times to phuket and have found them to be most reasonable to fly with.
Nice staff. Comfortable aircraft. Good service.
Only problems have been they are consistently late.
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Old 20th Dec 2011, 05:48
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Looks like another 330 in march, hopefully dry leased. Vietnam route will be a good revenue stream for them. As is using the allegiant model to sell package holidays.

Air Australia will start three times weekly services to Shanghai and Ho Chi Minh from Melbourne and Brisbane in June 2012 pending regulatory approval, the carrier has confirmed.

It marks the latest expansion for the fledgling airline which last week began service to Hawaii from the Victorian and Queensland state capitals.
It's one of the big risks.

The carrier will also launch Air Australia Holidays next year with product sourced from wholesalers and sold online through its website.

“China is more of a package market – more so than Phuket and Bali,” said chief executive and founder Michael James. “The way that accommodation is structured in Hawaii also makes it a much bigger package market.” James said the airline’s Australian credentials will make it an appealing option for wholesalers.

“If I was an Australian doing a Helen Wong’s tour, I’d rather an Australian airline,” he said. While James claimed the airline now had outbound distribution “down pat”, the task of distribution in China would be a challenge.

"It's one of the big risks. If we don't get distribution right in
the Chinese market, it could all go pear-shaped," he said, adding that the airline would enlist government support to help them “do it right”.
Meanwhile, he claimed that load factors for its Honolulu services, which took to the skies last week, were averaging 92%.
“For such a young start-up to have such high loads shows that we are doing the right things,” he said.

The airline will increase frequencies to Honolulu and Phuket from March 25 to three weekly services from both Melbourne and Brisbane.
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So. How do you make a million bucks in aviation.......?

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Easy, start with 100 million...
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Old 22nd Dec 2011, 14:35
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They're now having talks with Flight Centre over the insurance issues. Hope they can sort it out.

Cookies must be enabled | The Australian

And this

Air Australia hikes commission as Flight Centre row continues | Travel Weekly

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Old 22nd Dec 2011, 21:50
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I've pulled my application..... even Tiger is a safer bet now I reckon. Staying where I am, just cant risk it.

I reckon insurance might be the least of there worries.
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Old 23rd Dec 2011, 00:17
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So. How do you make a million bucks in aviation.......?
Easy, start with 100 million...
Preferably someone elses 100 million. OPM.
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Old 23rd Dec 2011, 00:19
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So. How do you make a million bucks in aviation.......?
Easy, start with 100 million...
Preferably someone elses 100 million. OPM.
And don't pay any bills. That's just a waste of the 100 million.
Which is not a dig at Strategic/Air Australia, but at a few smaller airlines who are no longer with us, although the bills remain.
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Old 23rd Dec 2011, 00:43
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Angry

I hear it is not just their insolvency insurance that is at issue. Seems there is also a not so inginificant ammount owing on their airframe insurance that has upset the lessors.
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Old 23rd Dec 2011, 01:14
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AA

Ferk me,

Show some Christmas Cheer, well done AA, hope it lasts Ozland needs it!

Oz the land of the poppie cutter .

Enjoy.
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Old 23rd Dec 2011, 01:15
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Wink Or this movie?

Let my puppets come
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Old 23rd Dec 2011, 02:13
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https://secure.covermore.com.au/quot...T_20101001.pdf
I went and read covermores policy and here's what I found. Wont cover Insolvency of a Travel Services Provider if at the Relevant Time,
the Travel Services Provider was Insolvent or a reasonable person
would have reason to expect the Travel Services Provider might
become Insolvent.Amendment of cover under Section 1
The Product Disclosure Statement is amended as follows:
Under Section 1:-
No cover is provided under Section 1 in respect of Strategic
Airlines Pty Ltd (trading as Air Australia Airways).
This Supplementary Product Disclosure Statement is issued by Great
Lakes Reinsurance (UK) PLC (ARBN 127 740 532, ABN 189 64 580
576, AFSL No. 318 603) trading as “Great Lakes Australia”.


Where there is smoke one assumes there is fire. AA needs to sort out this very smart or they are going to lose a lot of business. There has been a lot of secrecy about their financials and structure.. I would love to see them succeed, but its fine to be a private company but hiding behind the privacy of a non-reporting environment scares many.

Air Australia customers need certainty now
December 23, 2011 – 7:00 am, by Ben Sandilands
Air Australia under insolvency imsurance coud | Plane Talking

The story broken here on 2 December about Air Australia losing its insolvency insurance cover is well and truly in the broader media today and consumers need very clear or very direct statements from the airline and Flight Centre, the travel retailer associated with Cover More Insurance, as to what is going on.

Flight Centre agents, and other retailers, are said to be asking potential buyers of Air Australia fares as part of their holiday arrangements to Thailand or Hawaii to sign product disclosure statements acknowledging that they do so knowing that the retailer’s insolvency insurance cover for the airline has been withdrawn or doesn’t apply.

That is a serious sales killer when it comes to sealing a purchase for a product that one of the most respected brands in travel retailing has otherwise seen fit to offer alongside a range of airline/holiday products from larger better known brands.

If Flight Centre has any doubts it is hard to understand why it has been offering the Air Australia product for weeks, and apparently, with great success.

Similarly, it may or may not be a situation in which the buyer then assumes all the risk that Cover More, associated with Flight Centre, declines to cover. That risk, whether the customers knows about it or not, may still have to carried by the retailer, and Flight Centre and Air Australia both need to make it crystal clear what happens to the customer’s money if the airline was to go out of business before the product is used.

Doubt in these matters can be near lethal to a new competitive offering in air travel.

It would be fair to say Air Australia faces challenges in launching itself on the market. However it has also chosen areas where the competition doesn’t offer matching air access or similar value. If Air Australia is working to a viable business model it has to be a good thing for consumers, and travel retailers, whom it now offers up to 7% in commission.

The withdrawal of insolvency insurance appears to be linked to the airline’s reluctance to email commercial-in-confidence details to the insurer or its underwriter.

Air Australia and Flight Centre are supposed to be in ‘discussions’ today aimed at resolving the issues. Whatever comes out of this needs to be relayed to consumers in the clearest of terms.
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Old 23rd Dec 2011, 02:27
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Don't think there is much christmass cheer around there office and I reckon the poppy dosnt need cutting cause it has weak stems anyway and might just fall without being cut, cause I hear from a mate working there that the safety manager has gone (2nd in 6 months) and the COO has just walked. I even hear the nice flight admin guy, who was looking after my application stuff, is going too. Kinda glad I steered clear in the end.
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Old 23rd Dec 2011, 06:01
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Busboy92,
You sure you pulled your application from Air Aust ? Just rang a mate of mine who is doing one stage of the recruiting and he said no one has pulled their bid. In fact, they have so many applications coming in he wished a few would.
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